Podcast #115 – Flipping to passive rentals with Mark Ferguson

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Aside from blog, owns 15 rental properties in Northern Colorado generating $7K/mo passive income.

Harder to cash flow around Denver. Looking out-of-state.

Since Sept 2015, has not purchased new SFH. Focusing on commercial, flipping, which was best use of time.

Always demand for low-end flips (less risk v. high-end).

Write own goals, don’t rely on other people, and think differently to develop himself.

Don’t C.E.F. – especially if you’re not a contractor.

Some opportunities in purchasing primary residential properties, but not going to stay there forever.

If you want to be creator and sell houses full-time, get a real estate license. If part-time, not really recommeneded unless you own a couple properties already and can expend time.

Goals for more passive income ($100k/mo) and freedom = happy.

Change your mindset and try. Otherwise, you’re stuck where you are (ex: frugal). What’s your motivation and dreams?

Let people drink their haterade.

Tough to let go, but happier to save time by hiring out on blog, website, e-mail, property management, etc.

Not a tech-savvy guy, but build blog and all that SEO!

Wished more good people to hire directly instead of 3rd parties.

Don’t force yourself to buy something – especially in a sellers market.

Are you taking action that’s getting closer to your goals or treading water? Take time for yourself.

Always lot of stuff to do, but don’t stress about it. A couple mistakes or not getting things done will not ruin you.

First blog comment was fulfilling. Drives motivation on how to help give back to others.

Check out www.investfourmore.com and podcast. 453 articles and 117 podcasts.

Contact info: Mark@investfourmore.com

 

Podcast #114 – Jennifer Beadles – Turning Active income into passive income in a Primary market

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Income has a cap
Bought first house at 21
Take business profits into buy and hold rentals
Say out of Seattle
Mount Vernon WA
Tell the agent in super simple terms
Comments on meetups
Should i get started now?

Time is the most important thing… If not now when?

Time is the most important resource. You can trade time for money and vice versa. It is pretty rare that you can not throw money at a problem and make it go away.

I stumbled upon a great visualization of your time.  Basically, the yellow below is the time we sleep, blue is leisure, and light blue is at work. See the diagram here http://flowingdata.com/2017/05/09/adulthood-days/

Two takeaways:

  1. If you have not started investing… when the heck when? Get a mentor and compress the learning curve, decrease costly mistakes, and get on with your life!
  2. There is only a limited amount of time to create a legacy… VAs or Virtual Assistants I use.

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Some of you had questions about Virtual Assistants which I have had some growing pains with…

Take 1: I went to various countries/regions Craigslist where I heard there was cheap virtual labor such as the Philippines, Ukraine, Latin America, Eastern Europe, Etc. I created a generic posting for a Virtual Assistant and a link to a Google Form that I created that was supposed to farm data of willing workers and ask binomial questions such as if they had experience with graphics, audio editing, Excel, English, and how much their hourly rate was. This was a success and the idea was that I would create a database that I could BCC the emails to competitively bid projects. Unfortunately, when I sorted my list for the desired skill I was looking for, I discovered that many of the potential candidates sent generic resumes back. They did not even read the job description. I guess as the saying goes “shit in shit out.” Tim Ferriss talks about giving strange instructions to potential job candidates such as a requirement to fax in their application (in an age of limited fax access) to see which candidates follow directions and can overcome minor Resistance of not having fax machines.

Take 2: It seems like the tasks are taking a lot more time than it should. To some respect, that is to be expected. What I am trying to wrap my head around is the cultural differences not to mention the language barrier. In some of these Asian cultures, honor and face are utmost importance and sometimes it is culturally the normal to lie to save face. In America, we preach stepping up and admitting fault and moving on which I believe is a true demonstration of high value. So it’s a little frustrating… I know the internet sucks at these places but give me a break. I am just surprised they are not telling me their dog ate the GoogleDoc. Successful people take ownership and I accept this as MY fault in terms of me not having my job scope defined and linear instructions for the virtual assistant to carry out. If my virtual assistant misses on the deliverable or takes too long I take full responsibility.

Afterthoughts: A great discussion at a recent Mastermind I attended around this topic. Seems like a lot of people are backtracking from cheap (sub 8 dollar an hour labor) and opting for higher quality workers. I believe the vision of an employee is to get something done cheaper than your personal hourly rate, also get it don’t faster, and with a “Sir… I was completing task X and I found this wrong in our process so I took care of it and wanted to discuss this with you.” I don’t know if I will ever achieve this level of initiative in any person trading their time for money but one can only dream. Until then I will try to switch to a more project-based system as opposed to having a VA on call for a 10-40 hour set time. The cons of this project-based methods are that it requires more touch points for me to keep micromanaging each project and this is the exact reason I am looking for help in the first place. Time is the most important thing Jelly Bean. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOksW_NabEk

The Random list of tasks to outsource:

1. Organize your travel (including learning your travel preferences). This includes making all your travel arrangements,
organizing all your flight info into your favorite travel app, and even remotely monitoring your travel to be ready to deal with
any missed flights or oversold hotels.
2. Handle billing disputes.
3. Help setting up bills onto auto payment on your credit card.
4. Address and mail cards, letters, and packages. Sure you may still handwrite the thank you, but do you really need to look up
the address and post the letter?
5. Update your contact manager (or CRM database).
6. Screen your e-mail and handle low-level responses. This includes deleting or archiving things you don’t even need to see.
7. Update your blog and social media accounts.
8. Organize and manage your filing system, both paper-based and scanned e-files.
9. Take dictation (either live or via recordings, perhaps using Voxer, one of my favorite apps).
10. Set up appointments and hold your schedule.
11. Gather all the needed data and prep information for all your appointments. For example, I ask my assistant to put to the
memo of any appointment she posts to my calendar any recent email exchanges and the contact information of the person
I’m meeting with. This saves me untold time when you compound this service over 15-20 meetings I hold each week.
12. Daily clean-up of your office, including refilling items.
13. Screen phone and e-mail so you don’t get the interruptions.
14. Take notes at key meetings and follow up with attendees on key deliverables.
15. Keep a master chart/list/calendar of your projects and deadlines and set reminders.

16. Tickler all birthdays and anniversaries, holidays, or other important dates, and even arrange for gifts, cards, or phone calls
that make you look good.
17. Update his or her own “Project List” so that all the tasks and deliverables they are responsible for in one place for you to
review.
18. Get, open, sort, forward, handle, and if need be shred your mail.
19. Coordinate with outsourced vendors when you have an IT issue. You just work from a back-up computer for the day and let
him or her troubleshoot it with your IT vendor.
20. Order things online for you and handle any product returns or service issues.
21. Handle any personal errands or schedule any household repairs. Yes this is perfectly reasonable as it saves you time that
you can reinvest in creating value for your company.
22. Notarize your documents by becoming a Notary Public in your state.
23. Help you to streamline your office—filing, sorting, and systematizing wworkflow
24. Basic updates to your Web sites.
25. Create and continue to refine the “expert system” for how to be your assistant (this one should be part of their job function
right from the start). This way if you promote your assistant they have created the core system for your next hire. If they leave
you to work elsewhere, the transition is much less painful.
26. Dealing with tech troubles on your phone or tablet computers. They can do this during the day when you’re in the office doing
other more valuable work.
27. Any parts of your projects that he or she is capable of doing for you. Constantly be on the lookout for things to try them out
doing. For example, my assistant helped expand the syndication reach of my business articles by over 100,000 annual
readers.
28. Download movies or audiobooks
29. Search for contacts of people you need to meet
30. Bookkeeping with a CPA or without one
31. Edit videos
32. Make calls
33. FInd sellers
34. Take Calls from leads
35. Call banks to find a portfolio lender
36. Assemble a list of podcast guests to contact

Podcast #113 – Buck Joffrey – Medical Surgeon gets fired and goes into freefall

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We heard you on podcast 17 and you told your story – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-17-serial-entrepreneur-dr-buck-joffery-wealthformula-podcast/

Hearing your story high paid doctor. Describe yourself as an employee?

Great butt kisser

Lane’s getting fired story

So you were fired what gave you the security to not go back?

Lane’s getting fired story

 

http://richhabits.net/catastrophes-reveal-inner-greatness/?mc_cid=610082b2da&mc_eid=a129173ca3

 

Why professionals are trained to go through the system

 

The two excuses why not to leave the professional system

 

Wealth formula – Mass (money) x Velocity (Leverage) = wealth

 

You need to make money

 

What happen to assisted living project?

 

Taking shots and trying things out? Where is the transition point from taking singles to going to homers?

 

We are talking about Jorge from Simplepassivecashflow.com/ahp

 

SPC listeners are usual creatures. Get me in a room with a bunch of W2 workers talking about their frequent flier miles and their cars and I’m completely turned off. What are your thoughts on coping with this?

 

What are some ways you teach the entrepreneurial spirit with your kids?

 

What if they just want to work for the man or do peace corps?

 

Simplepassivecashflow.com/buck to get the free 1-hour coaching offer from Buck.

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Our worst W2 moments which were our Han Solo Moments

 

How to make it as a medical professional? – Kiss Butt 😁

 

We are robots.

 

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Podcast #112 – #LaneHack – Fear + How much risk to take + KProxy!

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The two biggest enemy of success is fear.

It inhibits you from taking action. And nothing happens without that.

Fear, never goes away, no matter how successful you become. Same thing is said about CrossFit workouts… they never get easier. You just plateau to a new level of suck.

The same fear exists for the successful, why don’t they hold them back from taking action?

It made me push to busy my first out of state rental in Birmingham from Seattle, sell my Seattle rentals to 1031 into a dozen out of state properties, and lately moving toward a portfolio of syndicated private placements. I don’t know what’s next?

Successful people simply make a habit of taking action, despite the fear. They have gained the habit/muscle or mental six pack of taking action.

By taking action do you gain the experiences of facing obstacles and overcoming them, facing mistakes and learning from them, taking risks and surviving failure. Gained muscle or even a crazy mental eight pack. You draw upon these experience in times of hardship or difficulty.

Obstacles always change but your ability and track record to move around it is what is most important. When we evaluate people to work with Track-record is always important. Obvious we want to work with someone who is proven but realistically every situation in the future will be different and we are really looking for someone who can deliver despite the obstacles. We are not looking for who is a genius (although it helps) or even with some competitive advantage but mostly good character and ability to overcome obstacles… dare I say turn obstacles to opportunities.

There are a couple leads that have had touch times in their deals lately due to circumstances outside their control. What I know of their mindset is that they are freaking resilient that they will overcome the obstacles.

When crap happens we want say:

“we’ve faced a similar uncertainty before and this was the mistake we made and need to avoid”

“we’ve taken a similar risk before and we survived”

Do not mistaken brazen courage with competence/confidence. There are a lot of people who fake it till they make it.

Risk: If you are in aware of the risks and rewards (mentor/stage 3 of 4 of learning) then take the most risk as possible. The Shape ratio theory that I believe in that the more risk you take the more reward you get exponentially. Therefore take as much risk as you can to capitalize on the most reward. BUT… huge caveat here… only take the most risk that you are willing to take that if the worse that can happen you can live with.

This is why I don’t skydive.

This is why I stick primarily to non-recourse deals where the apartment is stabilized.

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Podcast #111 – Interview – Brent Kawakami – Saying NO to a measly $300 a month & Networking on Facebook

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1) How much CF are you making today and how are you doing it?
Generally I’ve fluctuate based on buying/selling of real estate. Right now it’s all from passive investments in apartments. My peak was couple thousand a month.
So as I started investigating other investment activities I dabbled in:
P2P investing – Returns were decent (I think I made like 18%), extremely passive once you funded loans. I was fortunate that none of the ones i lended on defaulted so that’s real risk. While you are earning interest payments, it goes back to account so extremely illiquid. You wait out the loan term which can be long. No control. I’d rather do private lending that’s backed by a physical asset.
Dividend stocks – Lot of research, reading investment newsletters, etc. You’re still at the whimsy of the stock market. I could see doing this in future maybe if there’s a crash and you can pick up trophy companies cheap. Again no control.
Gold/silver – I got caught up by the Gold bug rhetoric of “the dollar not backed by anything” “ the crash is coming” “ look how much debt we have” blah blah . A lot of similar stuff you see some Cryptocurrencies saying now. To me you need treat as a store of value and something you don’t care about price. And you need to hold physically. It’s a chaos hedge. But it doesn’t cash flow. And if shit really did hit the fan, you’re not going to need gold, you’re going to need guns, lol.
Internet business (I did sell it later for a small gain). A lot of work…it’s a business. You can get caught up in the 4-hour work week thing, sell your ebook, etc but this takes consistent cultivating like any other business. I had an instance where a change in Google algorithm killed my profit.
Infinite banking (which i’m all in on still) – You’ve had podcasts before on this topic about all the benefits but it’s an amazing vehicle that complements real estate. Personally I don’t think of this as a true investment, it is a savings vehicle. I treat it as my cash war chest and foundation. Downsides to me are that you have to understand and treat as a system otherwise you’ll fail miserably. It’s also literally a lifetime commitment.
Ultimately I settled on real estate starting the single family route in Dallas area (buy, rehab, rent, self manage, etc). I eventually saw the light (What was the light) of multifamily and started investing passively, sold off my single family houses and now a new aspiring sponsor/operator. There’s all the typical things people say (econmies of scale, non-recourse, etc) but my a-ha moment (my 2nd Han Solo moment I guess you could say) was when I started looking for another rental house. I realized adding another $300/mo cashflow wasn’t going to drastically change my life. If I wanted to level up faster, I needed scale faster. Multifamily can do that. When you get a large check for hundreds of thousands from a disposition event on an apartment complex, that’s life changing and can get you places.

(So now you are in the stage where you are doing all the hard work before the success… lets go through this list of things that you are doing… this add value to the listener and maybe we can have a discussion about best practices – Just think in the future when a future investor listens to all the shit you did to get into this)

1) Joined mentorship program (I would rather not say who they were) No problem. Main best practice to me is it’s almost a requirement for MFH. This is a must in addition to all the other education (reading, podcasts, etc)
2) Regularly Contacting brokers/Signing up for lists
3) Evaluating deals
4) Scheduling in-person meetings with with brokers to connect (what did you do). My partner and I specifically reach out to have a meetings at a broker’s office. We’d talk about what we’re doing, looking for, etc and it gave us an opportunity to meet other associates. I’ve tried to do in-person at their office or if I can take them to coffee. For out of town brokers we’d do over phone or if we travel to see a deal (leveraging a current listing of theirs as a talking point to get convo started).
5) Making regular LoopNet rounds
6) Going on property tours
7) Networking on BiggerPockets/LinkedIn/Facebook, etc
8) Going to Meetups, events, and conferences
9) Partnered up with another new sponsor/operator to duplicate efforts, fill gaps, etc (What do you do well and what does he compliment).
My partner is better at making connections and relationships than I am. I’m more analytical and investigative. He’s an eternal optimist, while i’m Mr. Engineer worst case scenario. He can get shiny object syndrome whereas I’m much better at keepings things on task. We’re both at the same level/point in our investing so we have a good synergy with the perspective we’re coming from. One of the things we like is if it takes looking at 100 deals to get 1, maybe us both looking cuts that in half lol.

2) What is your Han Solo moment…

I had two.

1- One was a couple years into my career and i started think there was more than this for 30-40 yrs and began exploring other stuff (as mentioned before)

2- Shift from single family to multifamily. My a-ha moment mentioned before.

3) Worst life/business moment what did you do a er? Lesson learned?

I’ve had those crappy issues that come up with rentals, like plumbing issues, tenant issues, foundation issues, etc which sucked. Although one big one was not listening to my wife about a single family house. I had a tenant turnover in one of my rentals and I had been mulling about selling and focusing on multifamily. Instead of listening to my wife who encouraged that, I did the easy thing which was find a new tenant. I had gotten so in the routine and it was the easy option even though I knew I was ready to step into next thing. It ended up being my worst tenant ever (she paid but was really needy) and a headache. I ultimately sold it a few months later.

Lesson learned: Listen to your wife more. While she isn’t involved directly in the nuts and bolts, she is a better judge of character and intangibles in both myself and others.

4) Current 2‐week experiment and 6‐month project? (90‐180 day goal) A mark of a high performer is to put your ego aside and accept the help of others and mastermind maybe folks can help you by you asking.

2-week: Let’s see when we get there. Lot of personal type things likely going on (not sure if that’s valuable for your audience?)

6-month: Sponsor a 75+ unit, class b/c apartment. That’s my one thing.

5) What is your simple passive Cashflow number? Now imagine you had 2x that amount… Describe your ideal day, detailed rou ne, and what projects you are working on.

6) Something that you have recently or thought about “burning your cash” on for me savings or an improvement in quality of life.

Meal service, not the recipe in the box but the fully prepared, proportioned individual meals. I enjoy cooking but not thinking about what I have to eat is something that I find makes my day easier, especially now that I have a baby. It’s just fuel, i can eat the same thing everyday and be fine. Plus it helps me stay on the straight line nutrition wise.

There’s a good book on this topic called Happy Money I recommend.

7) Something that you changed your mind on? Our ego o en gets in the way of greatness.

2 Things:

1. I used to think of insurance for the financial aspects only but now I think about the riders, disability kickers, etc. Having a kid changes your thought process so now i’m more thoughtful about things like insurance, estate planning, etc. I’m still behind on that stuff, but now these long term planning things are in my thoughts.

2) Owning a house isn’t a big deal. We recently sold our house and moved to an apartment for a number of reasons…yada yada yada. I’m not full Grant Cardone though.

8) In this sellers market… what are you inves ng in? What should a someone who does not have a substan al level of cashflow yet be inves ng in?

My cash value life insurance/infinite banking strategy is my core foundation. I see that as the warchest and can let me sit on “cash” without losing too much. I’m obviously still actively pursuing multifamily, it’s harder of course with the current market, but deals can be found in all markets.

Nothing wrong with being patient if you think things are frothy. 100% of nothing is better than any percent of a bad deal. Being patient is the hardest thing.

brent@hellomultifamily.com

SPC110 – My Story – Evictions, Flip Project, Market Updates

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Text “simple” to 314-665-1767 to download the Hui Google Drive files and the 2018 Rental Property Analyzer

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Dealing with an eviction:

“Hi Lane! I delivered an evection notice to tenants yesterday and had the opportunity to speak with husband at the door. He stated that he and his wife had both started new jobs and would be able to make one full payment in a week (this was the story for seemingly a month or two) and would be able to make a partial payment in 10 days. Before we proceeded forward with an agreement, wanted to see if that works for you. They are currently $3,000 behind before for a total of two months.  

Here is what I did…

I okayed the concession to give more time. I requested some sort of proof of new job status (a hire letter or email). I am more than willing to work with people… These have been long tenants of almost a couple years and B+ /A- home that rents for $1500 a month.

Caveat… I am really near to selling these properties this year and don’t really want to rock the boat in terms of enforcing long-term behavior.

Revamping my turnkey rental content – simplepassivecashflow.com/turnkey

I have currently sold 2 of 10 SFH rentals (P&L offer)

One of them Columbia is had $27K to get back online. Going to pay 37K to sell retail.

Another property Riverwood just went vacant. Going to pay 20-30K to sell retail too.

  • Talked with my team – PM, Contractor, couple other hui members
  • Is it a good area to go retail
  • Will I recoup capital overlay based on comps

Soon I will unrolling my private lending platform. CrowdfundAloha.com! So if you are looking for a 1st lien property with my partners let me know. We are talking about even providing turnkey services.

This is not really a money making things cause the margins are just really tough these days.

After over 1000 strategy calls with investors and coaching clients over the past couple years here is what I tell W2 employees… For those who are able to save more than $30k a year or have substantial liquidity (over 200k), being a landlord and especially flipping is a lot of work. If you like it cool/good for you… but just remember why we got into this… To be free from a JOB. A lot of us (80%) who stumble upon simplepassivecashflow.com and start drinking Kool-Aide will be financially free in 4-7 years pending taking action. So I always urge people to start with the end in mind and take a more passive approach.

Do the math here… you with 300 dollars per property (2 months of work to buy a turnkey rental) you are going to need 20-40 of these to replace your income. I have 10 of these and have systems in place but have 1-2 evictions a year and 3-4 big things that happen. Image if I had 30, just 3 x those numbers.

Directly investing in a turnkey rental or small MFH is a good way to start to learn and build up the war chest to go into my scaleable investments such as private placement syndications. Whatever you do, try to be as close to the investment as possible. This is the fundamental problem I have with Wall Street who takes too much fees off the hard-working efforts of the middle class.

Looking at some deals. So folks in the Hui Deal Pipeline Club (who have reached out to me and built a relationship) will see those really soon. 😛 I hope I have enough liquidity… I might need to borrow some money 😛

Single Family Homes becoming a legitimate asset class – Spring 2018 Conference

The lending requirements and new loan products is slowly changing. I know a lot of you have heard that Short Term Rentals (Air Bnb) income is starting to become part of the loan calculations.

Something I’m following is lending on large portfolios of single-family homes. Some of the highlights:

1) up to 10-year term with 1.25 DSCR

2) portfolios minimum size of 50 properties

3) assumable

Pilot program details download here – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aTIbru2HEPbw_KLHTvU5-Iyk0aoQB8Gx

Look even a SFH conference – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cI15DnBUn8LRA54NTCh667exeR3OtlIu

Other Fannie Changes – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WumUWsduuLnHqDi6IJXNipX7IsT9AUFa

AirBnb lending requirements loosening

I read this following article that described rent concession in a few major cities that I like as apartment markets.

http://www.nreionline.com/multifamily/more-apartment-landlords-offer-free-rent-lure-tenants

Here is another article citing industrial as the sector to be in:

http://www.nreionline.com/industrial-cre-market-study/exclusive-research-clear-sailing-industrial-sector-through-2018

My takeaway is that this is important to monitor especially if you are developing because this is a leading indicator of softness in the market. It might be economic reasons or just because a bunch of new build inventory is coming online in that area. Either way…

Robert Kiyosaki has a saying, “there are three sides to a coin”.

People argue that its a good time to buy or bad time to buy. For example “mfh” is overheated or commercial is getting killed by Amazon and e-commerce. I think these are mental justifications by tire kickers not to do anything.

Sophisticated investors live on the edge of the “coin”. They buy deals out our reach of amateurs due to the lack for network/knowledge. These opportunities are undervalued, with undermarket rents, with value-add opportunity.

They are patient and don’t stray from standards that make them get crushed in a market correction. (Cashflow from other investments make this possible) They invest following the macro and micro trends and don’t gamble on gimmicks such as guessing where Amazon’s next HQ is going or where the hurricanes just crushed a market.

The trouble is as an outsider is figuring out which of these deals transcends the two side of coin and is on the edge. And starting out its going to be slim pickings due to lack of network but you have to push through this rough part.

I am from the camp that you need to become an expert or get beyond the surface level investor stuff in some freebie pdf guide or video. Or just find the right people to work with. To many people get shinny object syndrome and float from sector to sector, from a money-making activity to another, read book after book and never get anywhere. You see these people at a lot of networking events. There is a lot of movement but no tangible results. This is where coaching comes in but for some people not able to get over having another person call them out on their BS you need to get laser focused and take massive action or quit fooling yourself.

I’ll be at the notebuyerbootcamp on the panel for syndication in Chicago next week. Notebuyerbootcamp.com

Turnkey Rental Wisdom (2012-2018)

Dear prospective turnkey investor,

The following is my constantly updated guide to turnkey. (Updated 4-2018) Email me for any additions or feedback. In the spirit of the Hui Deal Pipeline Club where we crowdsource due diligence together!

I don’t flip or wholesale or do any of that. I have a w-2 job and not looking for another job or chore. I am all about leveraging my money and more importantly, time. For people like you and me who live in places (Seattle, West Coast, Hawaii, East Coast, to name a few) where the Rent to Value ratio is 0.5% or less we have no other option. It drives me crazy when the Real Investor Peanut Gallery (internet forums know for big pockets small wallet) say we are overpaying… well if I didn’t have a life and I had the time to lick stamps and swindle distressed buyers I could buy a distressed property at discount too and probably do it better 😉

I don’t know about you, but I have full time professional job that earns more per hour than most folks even in real estate and more than these Turn Key providers do. So I’m like sure… I’ll pay retail and rely on their volume and expertise. But you have to find the right ones. Investing for cashflow is not a get rich quick schedule but a prudent way to build lasting wealth a few hundred dollars at a time.

Today I buy apartment buildings like this 193 unit in San Antonio where I work with deal finding specialist on my team but it took me almost ten years to get there.

 

I moved onto bigger more scaleable assets mostly because of stuff like this happening every few months:

“I do have some unfortunate news.  My crew showed up this morning and there was an empty police car in the driveway along with a note from the officer.  Overnight, the outdoor section of the AC unit was cut and stolen (no sign of breaking in).  My crew said he spoke with the neighbors (to the right of the home) and at about 1-2 in the morning a black truck was going around the neighborhood cutting AC units and taking them.  The neighbors called the police and they came out to do their work.  I called the Dekalb County Police and asked them what I would need to do and what the next steps are.  They said, if we want a copy of the police report to come down to the office and present them the case number and if there is any news they would let us know.  I have attached photos of the card the police officer left along with photos of the damage.  It is very unfortunate and I do apologize this happening.  The AC just got inspected and serviced yesterday and everything else is running smooth.  I am waiting to hear back from the HVAC tech about what it is going to replace the missing unit and repairs to the lines, once I receive the service report.  I will be sure to keep you up to date with any news or information.  Please let me know if you have any questions.  Once again, thank you for your time and I do hate that this has happened.”

As much as I poke fun at the asset class and jokingly call it “turkey” instead of turnkey rentals it all started here and is the foundation of my investing portfolio.

 

When I first started buying the rehabs done by the turnkey guys in the blue collar areas, if you posted “hey I’m looking for turnkey” in the forums you get the usual suspects soliciting you for marked up properties. It’s off market because they rehab it for the investor with more durable and less visually appealing materials than your normal retail product. I’m all for the wholesaler to make money because they do spend a lot of time and money on mailers and advertising but the layers of middlemen who add no value is excessive and is almost as bad as Wall Street.

I bought my first couple rentals back in 2009-2012 in Seattle (Primary market/no cashflow). As the prices started going up I was forced to go out of my comfort zone and purchase out of state rents because I needed cashflow in order to achieve my goal of replacing my W2 income as an engineer. I bought one I Birmingham, without seeing it and set up a professional property management company to manage the day to day. That was proof of concept for me to sell my two Seattle rentals and buy 9 Properties in 5 Months via 1031 Exchange.

I work with a lot of engineers and a lot of them say they get analysis paralysis because they like data. I call them out of it and tell them they are just scared and losing $500 of opportunity costs and time per month! A real engineer would look at the numbers. IF rent minus expenses (with contingency) minus mortgage is greater than THEN fricken do it!

Example of capital expenses that need to account for in your expenses and contingency.

Let me be clear, I don’t flip or wholesale or do any of that. I have a W2 job and not looking for another job or chore. I am all about leveraging my money and more importantly, time. For people like you and me who live in places (Seattle, West Coast, Hawaii, East Coast, to name a few) where the Rent to Value ratio is 0.5% or less we have no other option.

It drives me crazy when the Real Investor Peanut Gallery (internet forums) say we are overpaying… Our time is better spent at our high paid professions that we busted out buts going through a couple decades of schooling for.

My full-time professional job that earns more per hour than most folks even in real estate and more than these Turn Key providers do. So I’m like “Sure… I’ll pay retail and rely on their volume and expertise.” Its all about leveraging your highest and best use, which maybe your day job.  Sorry.

The problem is that you have to find the right property and people to work with. And have a mentor so you are not getting screwed. Investing for cashflow is not a get rich quick schedule but a prudent way to build lasting wealth a few hundred dollars at a time.

When I first started buying the rehabs done by the turnkey guys in the blue collar areas, if you posted “hey I’m looking for turnkey” in the forums you get the usual suspects soliciting you for marked up properties. It’s off market because they rehab it for the investor with more durable and less visually appealing materials than your normal retail product. I’m all for the wholesaler to make money because they do spend a lot of time and money on mailers and advertising but the layers of middlemen who add no value is excessive and is almost as bad as Wall Street.

“I don’t work with top tier turnkey providers…. For the same reason I don’t buy a Dyson Vacuum.. I’m cheap and buy value and buy the sub-100 dollar Shark brand from costco with the excellent return policy.”

These days’ people in the Hui Private group are not on internet forums. They say its 95% of active people who are not high paid professionals and marketers. Here is some of the chatter:

 

The most important thing to do is to grow your network.

So you can bounce ideas off other investors and not a salesperson. I still do free calls but please review the free content I have put on this website first. No, I do not just give recommendations to good people to buy from because things change and I am not going to throw my brand around like that. And by the way that’s an “ask-hole.” I know your character and the trajectory of your success but how you add value to others first instead of taking first. Some people are unaware of this which is why I’m saying something so I aplogize. This could be the reason why people are not helping you out and you feel like a lone wolf.

Webinar with 2018 trends is sent out to Hui Deal Pipe Line Club members sign up below:

I don’t really see much difference in the secondary markets with robust economies (Memphis, Kansas City, Birmingham, Atlanta, to name a few). I have tried to set things up so my different markets complement each other. For the most part I buy in the 1.1-1.3% RV range. I take home 70% in 2015 but now in 2017, I buy in the 0.9-1.1% RV range and take home 60% of the rents after all expenses (vacancy and Cap ex).

I made this diagram in 2016 and it illustrates some of the popular “secondary markets with robust economies” that a lot of out of state turnkey buyers like to invest in. Things have changed a little but as you can see you can either have appreciation or cashflow. It’s tough to get the best of both worlds.

I stress NOT to spend too much picking a market. If you sign up for the newsletter as a Hui member you will get more than enough data to create analysis paralysis. The biggest thing you can do is vet the people. As you can see the same principle is what I use in my syndication due diligence: 50% people & 50% the numbers of the deal.

There are three ways to purchase a turnkey rental:

  • Marketer – I would not recommend going through a marketer, they don’t even invest themselves and they did not add any value. The only one I can recommend is Marco but that is because I know like and trust the guy. By the time I bought my 3rd rental I knew way more than those folks did. Unfortunately, I probably overpaid by a few grand on each of those first few properties not knowing what I don’t know, Work with me only if you want to compress time and want me to look over your shoulder to get my unbiased opinions and guidance. Plus you will be setup with a plan and not shoot yourself in the foot like I did by buying a dozen non-scalable investments.
  • Direct from Turnkey Provider – You cut out the middleman and go direct to the source, theoretically getting the best price. Just know that you are not represented by a broker who supposedly has a fiduciary responsibility to you. (BTW never trust a broker) The transactions are done with their paperwork and their rules. They are the pros and it’s dangerous for a newbie to go down this route. There are household Turnkey Providers (TKPs) out there but I call them the “Prada of Providers”. You pay for what you get and often times more than what it’s worth – I’ll just say you are paying over 105% of retail.
  • Hybrid method – When I was going through my buying spree in 2015-2016, I was going (off market) via an agent that had a fiduciary responsibility to me to check all the BS that the providers give you – this is what I recommend only after going through the process a few times. Usually, the agent helping you is not an investor and does not really know what type of amenities/floor plans and locations are best for rentals. You will need to drive the ship. Note: I see brokers all the time trying to sell junk to new investors.
  • Another cool site out there is Roofstock which is where I sold my turnkey rentals to step up to syndications. Use the link get a $500 credit when you register… They give me $50 credit but I don’t think I will buy another turnkey rental again ;P

You seemed bored reading… There is no such thing as turnkey. Check out these disaster photos from an eviction that ended up being a $37K repair bill… https://photos.app.goo.gl/R4PZLuOLGHONO5Rl2

As I was in the middle of my 1031 buying spree (#6 of 11), a lot of TKPs started to come out of the woodwork and offered their properties to me and gave me the royal treatment (discounted prices from what they normally offer). I got to meet a lot of them via meetups and national conferences because I had this podcast and they were interested in getting at the Hui Deal Pipeline Club ecosystem. Since I was pretty experienced and they liked working with me they offered me referral fees to simply send guys like you over to them with a simple “CC’ed” email. Sort of like a referral source where they would give me $1000 per home sold. I thought it made sense for them because it was a lot cheaper than paying $6000+ to a Marketer (#1 above), but as you know when you go with a marketer or this sort of referral program the buyer (you) don’t really get any value add.

Personally, I’m not really into picking up $1000 referral checks and passing you off to the TKP (never to hear from you again) since I’m more looking to give back to other investors and build my network for my larger syndication deals in the Hui Deal Pipeline Club. I think turnkey rentals are ok for people starting.

After over 1000 strategy calls with investors and coaching clients over the past couple years here is what I tell W2 employees… For those who are able to save more than $30k a year or have substantial liquidity (over 200k), being a landlord and especially flipping is a lot of work. If you like it cool/good for you… but just remember why we got into this… To be free from a JOB. A lot of us (80%) who stumble upon simplepassivecashflow.com and start drinking Kool-Aide will be financially free in 4-7 years pending taking action. So I always urge people to start with the end in mind and take a more passive approach.

“I have B- class rentals and high that rent for at least $900 a month and I am still having a hard time selling dang properties to other cheapo investors”

 

Do the math here… you with 300 dollars per property (2 months of work to buy a turnkey rental) you are going to need 20-40 of these to replace your income. I have 10 of these and have systems in place but have 1-2 evictions a year and 3-4 big things that happen. Image if I had 30, just 3 x those numbers.

Directly investing in a turnkey rental or small MFH is a good way to start to learn and build up the war chest to go into my scaleable investments such as private placement syndications. Whatever you do, try to be as close to the investment as possible. This is the fundamental problem I have with Wall Street who takes too much fees off the hard-working efforts of the middle class.

I currently work with one business who I can align with because they offer sort of a hybrid between the marketers (I know you know the reasons why to stay away from them) and going straight to the TKPs since you lose a lot of the protections when you do that and it’s sort like signing agreements in the “wild wild west”. The reason I do it this way is that I get a licensed agent that has a fiduciary responsibility to your best interests and guides you through the transaction as you buy through the TKP. Basically, it’s like having MLS agent to cover you for the off market deals. All the properties are aggregated from only the good TKPs and the same price that you will find on the weekly digest that is sent out by the local TKP. This is the way I buy my properties and if nothing else it’s good for browsing what’s out there.

Can you please recommend a good turnkey provider? You said you would help…

The short answer is not really. A provider will try to size you up and try to pull a fast one on you when they get the chance. I will not endorse anyone! The only way to protect yourself is to network with other investors by providing value first – if you are a cheapo. If your net worth is over $300K, have at least $50k liquid, and have a time crunch (kids) I think it’s a no brainer get me on your team and stop screwing around.

There is really no reason why you cannot put in an offer on a property and start collecting $300 a month with a $25K down payment in under 90 days. Someone who is still “reading”, “contacting investors”, or “picking a market” frankly lacks focus (finish one course until success) or scared of making a move. Every day you don’t do anything is $500 a month of opportunity costs!

My rentals in Seattle were cash flowing each with $600-800 a month but it was because I bought at the right time and I did not look at the numbers like a sophisticated investor does. Although my cashflow was good (bad in terms of percentages) I realized that my return on deployable equity was very low, in fact it was under 5%. Now each rental I get typical cash flows by $350 but I think of it like $250 to be conservative and more importantly, my money is not being lazy. I think if you’re making less than 8 percent you’re better off in the stock market despite my aversion toward stocks or mutual funds. A sophisticated investor does not say “well… at least I’m able to cover my mortgage”. They are constantly monitoring their return on equity.

I wasted a lot of time in 2012-2013 looking for rentals in King, Snohomish, and Pierce County (Washington state) and nothing cash flowed. I still have the spreadsheets where I underwrote how crappy the Cashflow was. Now prices are even worse.

I helped dozens of people with this out of state investing game and have pretty much figured it out after making a bunch of mistakes that I didn’t realize till later – this is why it makes me laugh with the “do it yourselfers”.

One mistake I see people making is going after these sucker properties that only can be sold to “Californians,” “Hawaiians,” or any rich person not from the area perceived to have trees that money grows on, from a trust fund, and drink seven Mai Tais on the beach everyday. (Personal Note – I have lived in Hawaii for about six months now and I have only been the beach twice).

These types of people (not follows of SimplePassiveCashflow.com) like to pay a plumber for ten hours to fix a small toilet leak.

Sucker properties are in the wrong area that none of the locals would touch with a ten-foot pole. They are C or D class properties that the Broker calls “B-Class or good area” and usually cost sub $60K for $750 rents a month.

“It may look good on paper but stick to rents that are higher than $900 a month”

The second thing I see newbies doing is buying 2-8 unit properties after hearing all the good things about multi-family and scaling. I think most highly paid professionals will graduate to syndications (which is why I structure business and own investing around them) and therefore will need to sell these SFHs to move up. The exit strategy on selling 2-8+ just is not there. They look good on paper but the exit strategy kills you. If you are thinking you are going to hold on to these properties for cashflow for 7+years think again because that is not what sophisticated investors do because they monitor their ROE and they know the cap-ex tidal wave will hit them in year 5-12 taking back all those profits from the earlier years.

How many turnkey homes are people buying. Here is one data set I found from one popular turnkey provider. Takeaway – most (82%) get a few properties and the rest don’t get it or are too lazy.

The main thing is building the relationships and knowing who has the integrity out there. More importantly, you have to buy a few and go through the process of buying/selling and operating a while to learn how this mouse trap works. Tactically, it’s no different than what I have learned in corporate America (although I’m trying to leave the rat race) by setting expectations and keeping people accountable via email remotely. Trust but verify and financial freedom will be yours.

 

Frequently asked questions:

FAQ from past coaching clients and questions you ask:

Where is your spreadsheet with turnkey providers because I am lazy and want to just copy what someone else does?

That might have been smart a few years ago but things have changes and good providers have gone out of business or more expensive. You don’t need to be a super active investor but by not putting a minimal amount of effort you are shortchanging yourself the necessary lessons that will minimize a big mistake down the road. If you need the provider list sign up for the Hui Deal Pipeline club and it is in that share drive.

What’s the deal with REI Trader and the partnership with Simple Passive Cashflow?

I would do your own due-diligence and learn about rentals by talking to as many people as you can.

I know eventually you will find that working with my team is the going to be the optimal path forward as I am committed to mentoring you as an investor so you will continue on this investor journey to bigger and better deals.

I stand behind REI Trader and support you through the entire buying process – I don’t just pass you off to the Turn Key provider and say peace out…

The properties have good value for the purpose of rental real estate. The due-diligence that we do after the purchase contract is signed is the secret sauce and the unfair advantage over other turnkey options. Yes, there are a few perennial Turn Key companies however you will pay over market rates (110% retail).

The broker that helps you with boots on the ground with REI Trader is property agnostic. In fact, they don’t care if you buy that property or not.  We know you will buy the right one eventually.  We want to build a relationship with you the investor. Most clients buy one property, come back for more, and tell their friends.

Where do I find tax information in Birmingham?

http://eringcapture.jccal.org/caportal/CAPortal_MainPage.aspx?IsHTTPS=0&IFrameURL=CA_PropertyTaxSearch.aspx

Should I be concerned about a septic system?

Do you know if it was inspected after you purchased? What future maintenance should I expect? Will the property management company know when it needs regular maintenance?            A lot of properties have septic in Center Point and most PMs have this down to a system. We went through this including myself as before.

On another property the investor hired his own septic tank inspection. They checked in and said it was not working but when we sent our own service out to reconfirm, it was working as required. Often some of these third-party services are not as honest as they should be with out of state buyers. Regardless, the home warranty you receive covers septic service. This is just an FYI for future purchases where a septic tank is involved. This property is on city sewer so we don’t have these issues.

How much and what comprises the attorney’s fees that will be split 50/50?       

Typically, on financed transactions it’s about $650 split 50/50.

What if there are issues getting an inspection(s) completed with tenant in place?           

This is an issue with the seller not being easy to work with and could be grounds for you to back out.

If there are delays, we then have both parties agree to an extension of the inspection period with an addendum. Only time this happens is if your inspector can’t inspect and provide report back within the 14-day period.

How do I decide on an offer price?

Property in good condition and in a good area that meets the preliminary numbers go fast. Dude, it’s a sellers’ market and anyone can swoop in and grab it. I have seen the amount of turnkey buyers go up exponentially in the past few years as everyone is jumping on the band wagon. News flash incase you missed it… Real estate has been good for the past decade.

From the rehabber/flippers prospective to complete project geared more toward the retail buyer to take part of the emotional buyer market. Selling to cheapskate and annoying investors like us just does not make sense on many fronts. So don’t we a whinny investor and don’t try to make like you have leverage.

Properties that have a tenant in them are often owned by investors and non-owner occupied owners. The good thing is that it’s a numbers game and they have a profit that they are looking to get. The bad news is that the property performs as an income producing asset (that’s why you are buying it) and the sell is content holding on to it indefinitely – after all it cashflows.

Turnkey sellers will allow minimum flexibility on their pricing. Remember, they don’t have to sell and sometimes it does not make sense so move on if that’s the case. That being said, the average discounts I have seen is about $1500 off asking price. Seller is asking $69,900 and I would suggest initial offer of $67,000 and see how he responds. Point is know what is a deal and know the price.

How to handle property inspection report          

You really need a mentor or have someone look over your shoulder who has done this before and knows what is fair. Here is my advice:

Have a 5-10 minute call with the inspector. Tell him “look I know we aren’t going to get much more than 2-4K of repairs” so…

#1 would you buy this?

#2 what repairs will bite me in the next couple years?

#3 what is the best use of 2-4 of work?

#4 do you have any contractor contracts I can have?

Take this to the seller and negotiate but just know they have a line around the block waiting to buy their property sight unseen. Even without appraisal and all cash.

I think multi-family properties are my future 1-2 years from now.  Would you start 4-8 units or get a partner and go bigger?  
This depends on your trajectory (how much money you have and earning ability). High paid professionals I work with are going to go into bigger deals I would recommend going with SFH because you will likely sell in a few years and vault into bigger stuff. 2-8 units have a horrible exit strategy as only people who want them are cheap investors. “looking for a deal man!”
Setup a short coaching call because it will be worth it. Don’t be like me and buy 10 of these sfhs because it will be a pain to sell them later to go into more scaleable syndications.

 

Here are more resources:

  1. *The Analyzer Video Walk Through- https://youtu.be/qr8M6NMBhRw
  2. *Download 2018 Buy & Hold Analyzer Spreadsheet – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kMAn962d52UN-ObKNWmjT11z6gqATR1I
  3. *SPC005 – So you want to buy a Turnkey Rental – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-5-so-you…a-turnkey-rental/
  4. SPC014 – 22 questions to ask a turnkey provider – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-14-22-qu…turnkey-provider/
  5. SPC015 – 9 Turnkey listener questions Part 1 – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-15-9-turnkey-listener-questions-part-1/
  6. All the SFH related material – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/tag/sfh/

Refer me to a friend via email and I will personally send you both my spreadsheets of usual suspects of turnkey providers plus the questions I used to ask them for due diligence. And let me know if you would like a referral to my exclusive partners.

Real Estate books (more in the products tab):
1) Rich Dad Poor Dad
2) Millionaire Real Estate Investor
3) Cashflow Quadrant
4) Equity Happens
Any more is just overkill.

Business Books:
1) 4 hour workweek
2) E Myth
3) Think And Grow Rich (read this again and again, all the Gurus regurgitate this book)

***Put a red circle on your calendar 60 days from now and see where you get… and how much of your family’s time you waste as you consume websites, books, and podcasts.

You know what I mean ‘Jelly Bean’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOksW_NabEk

“I started the Hui Deal Pipeline Club because I want to see each of you get to your goals financially so you can focus on what is really important to you. There are other fundraisers out there that will train their investors down to 10-15% IRRs on crappy deals and do “deals to do deals” or to pick up acquisition fees. Between investing alongside you folks and wanted to grow my track record the right way with the best product I know you guys will keep coming back and bring your friends.”