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Dear prospective turnkey investor,
The following is my constantly updated guide to turnkey investing. Email me for any additions or feedback. In the spirit of the Hui Deal Pipeline Club where we crowdsource due diligence together!
Investing in Turnkey properties can be a very lucrative endeavor, and is where many in the Hui Deal Pipeline start off. It is the least risky investment you can make and is the pre-requisite for larger real estate deals. Here are the benefits and risks of investing.
No investment opportunity is free of risk and Turnkey Investment is no different. Here are a few of the factors that must be strongly be considered before investing:
Is Turnkey Investing Right for You?
Turnkey investing can be a great entry point for beginners. Turnkey properties are essentially move in ready properties. Meaning once you buy it, you can start renting it out.
This strategy can work especially well if:
- You live in an expensive area and want to invest out of state for higher returns, lower upfront cash requirements or both.
- You have a full-time job and can’t dedicate a couple hours each day to real estate investing, so you need something that will not take that much time.
- You’re a new real estate investor and are feeling a bit overwhelmed with everything it takes to find, rehab, and lease a property.
- You’re primarily interested in receiving passive cash flow from your rental properties, and are less interested in price appreciation.
Another thing to keep in mind is that buying turnkey properties doesn’t have to be your “be all, end all”approach. You can start by buying one or more turnkeys and later transition to other strategies as you become more experienced.
When I started off my real estate journey, I was working a W-2 job, I was not looking for another job or chore. I am all about leveraging my money and more importantly, time. I did not want to spend my time painting walls, fixing toilets, collecting rents, and deal with late-night calls from tenants.
For people like you and me who live in places (Seattle, West Coast, Hawaii, East Coast, to name a few) where the Rent to Value ratio is 0.5% or less, we have no other option but to invest out of state. It drives me crazy when the Real Investor Peanut Gallery (internet forums known for big pockets small wallet) say we are overpaying… Our time is better spent at our high paid professions that we busted out butts going through a couple decades of schooling for.
How do we ensure not losing money?
Buying assets where the Rent-to-Value Ratio of more than 1% is needed to be able to cash flow after expenses. You find the Rent-to-Value Ratio by taking the monthly rent dividing by the purchase price. When I am looking at potential investment properties the rent-to-value ratio is the very first metric I look at with evaluating an investment. To calculate this metric you take the monthly rent divided by the purchase price/value. For example a home that rents for $1000/month that costs $100,000 has a rent to value ratio of 1% (1,000/100,000=1%). The higher the better. I typically look at a huge list of properties so using excel to make this calculation is the best practice. It’s sort of like using the dating app Tinder… but with a filter…. I’ll stop there… to learn more click here.
My full-time professional job earned more per hour than most folks even in real estate and more than these Turnkey providers do. So I’m like “Sure… I’ll pay retail and rely on their volume and expertise.” It’s all about leveraging your highest and best use, which may be your day job. Sorry.
Being a passive investor is simple. Spend your time making the big bucks at work and invest for yield.
Investing for cash flow is not a get rich quick schedule, but a prudent way to build lasting wealth a few hundred dollars at a time.
The hurdle to real estate investing is that you have to find the right property, the right people to work with, and have a mentor so you are not getting screwed.
This is the general overview of the turnkey process:
A turnkey company (which essentially is a large-scale home flipper) finds and buys a run-down house. These houses are often foreclosures, short sales, bank-owned properties or bought at auction. They are cheap, but often need significant repairs before they can be rented out.
The turnkey company uses its in-house rehab team to renovate the house and bring it to a rent-ready condition (which just means it will be competitive on the rental market).
Oftentimes, the turnkey company will find and place a tenant in the property before selling it. This isn’t always the case, but most turnkey providers will do this.
The turnkey company sells the rehabbed rental to you, the investor. These sales are usually off-market, meaning they are not listed on the MLS or available to the general public, so you don’t have to worry about a bidding competition. You buy it for the advertised price.
Once the purchase process is complete, you own the home and can start collecting rental income. The turnkey company will often set you up with their in-house or preferred property manager, or you can pick your own.
Single-Family vs. Multi-Family Homes
The vast majority of turnkey properties are single-family homes – typically individual houses on their own lot, and less frequently – condos.
Occasionally, you will see multi-family turnkey properties. These are buildings consisting of multiple units (or living spaces). A duplex is a home with two units, a tri-plex has three and a quad has four.
One type of property is not inherently better than the other, and oftentimes which one you like better will come down to personal preference. Here are the pros and cons of each
It’s unlikely that you will come across multi-family turnkey properties often, but when you do, I encourage you to evaluate them just like you would a single-family home, but keep their unique advantages and disadvantages in mind.
- Easier to rent out – most people prefer their own space rather than having other tenants close by with shared walls
- They are easier to sell
- May appreciate more than multi-family homes
- The per unit price on a single family home vs the per unit price on a duplex is much higher
- If the property is vacant one month, you are covering the entire mortgage
- The value of the property is determined by other comparable sold properties in the neighborhood
- Have a lower price per square foot and thus produce a higher return on investment (ROI)
- May have lower maintenance costs per square foot, as all units share one roof, yard, etc.
- Often located in lower-quality neighborhoods and may not attract the same quality tenants as comparable single-family homes.
Directly investing in a turnkey rental or small MFH is a good way to start to learn and build up the war chest to go into my scaleable investments such as private placement syndications. Whatever you do, try to be as close to the investment as possible. This is the fundamental problem I have with Wall Street who takes too much fees off the hard-working efforts of the middle class.
I currently work with one business who I can align with because they offer sort of a hybrid between the marketers (I know you know the reasons why to stay away from them) and going straight to the TKPs since you lose a lot of the protections when you do that and it’s sort like signing agreements in the “wild wild west”. The reason I do it this way is that I get a licensed agent that has a fiduciary responsibility to your best interests and guides you through the transaction as you buy through the TKP. Basically, it’s like having MLS agent to cover you for the off market deals. All the properties are aggregated from only the good TKPs and the same price that you will find on the weekly digest that is sent out by the local TKP. This is the way I buy my properties and if nothing else it’s good for browsing what’s out there.
Turnkey rentals can be a PITA, but if you don’t have much money or time, you don’t have any other choice. Have more than $200K? Start thinking about transitioning to being a passive investor.
For the 1,000th time –
After over 1000 strategy calls with investors and coaching clients over the past couple years here is what I tell W2 employees… For those who are able to save more than $30k a year or have substantial liquidity (over 200k), being a landlord and especially flipping is a lot of work. If you like it cool/good for you… but just remember why we got into this… To be free from a JOB. A lot of us (80%) who stumble upon simplepassivecashflow.com and start drinking Kool-Aid will be financially free in 4-7 years pending taking action. So I always urge people to start with the end in mind and take a more passive approach.
Do the math here… you with 300 dollars per property (2 months of work to buy a turnkey rental) you are going to need 20-40 of these to replace your income. I have 10 of these and have systems in place but have 1-2 evictions a year and 3-4 big things that happen. Imagine if I had 30, just 3 x those numbers.
Directly investing in a turnkey rental or small MFH is a good way to start to learn and build up the war chest to go into my scaleable investments such as private placement syndications. Whatever you do, try to be as close to the investment as possible. This is the fundamental problem I have with Wall Street who takes too much fees off the hard-working efforts of the middle class.
If your net worth (income minus expenses) is under $200,000 or barely save $30,000, syndications are not for you. Stick with these Turnkey rentals despite what Gurus (who are trying to sell you their program) tell you for now. They have a little higher gains (a lot more volatility) but a syndicator who is willing to put you in a deal with more than 10-20% of your net worth is asking for trouble.
Breakdown of where Class D, Class C, Class B renters live. Source
I bought my first couple rentals back in 2009-2012 in Seattle (Primary market/no cashflow). As the prices started going up I was forced to go out of my comfort zone and purchase out of state rents because I needed cashflow in order to achieve my goal of replacing my W2 income as an engineer. I bought one in Birmingham, without seeing it and set up a professional property management company to manage the day to day. That was proof of concept for me to sell my two Seattle rentals and buy 9 Properties in 5 Months via 1031 Exchange.
I work with a lot of engineers and a lot of them say they get analysis paralysis because they like data. I call them out of it and tell them they are just scared and that they are losing $500 of opportunity costs and time per month! A real engineer would look at the numbers. IF rent minus expenses (with contingency) minus mortgage is positive THEN fricken do it!
Example of capital expenses that need to account for in your expenses and contingency.
Unlike broke people, passive investors don’t need great deals they just need better than average.
When I first started buying the rehabs done by the turnkey guys in the blue-collar areas, if you posted “hey I’m looking for turnkey” in the forums you get the usual suspects soliciting you for marked up properties. It’s off market because they rehab it for the investor with more durable and less visually appealing materials than your normal retail product. I’m all for the wholesaler to make money because they do spend a lot of time and money on mailers and advertising, but the layers of middlemen who add no value is excessive and is almost as bad as Wall Street.
“I don’t work with top tier turnkey providers…. For the same reason I don’t buy a Dyson Vacuum.. I’m cheap and buy value and buy the sub-100 dollar Shark brand from costco with the excellent return policy.”
These days’ people in the Hui Private Group are not on internet forums. They say it’s 95% of active people who are not high paid professionals and marketers. Here is some of the chatter from the Hui Private Group :
Out of State (Remote/Absentee) Landlord Abuse
It’s no mistake that all of your providers/property managers/maintenance staff know you are not there to verify every little repair or check every bid of potential in-house or third party work 🙁
This stresses the importance of building the right team!
The most important thing to do is to grow your network…
So you can bounce ideas off other investors and not a salesperson. I still do free calls but please review the free content I have put on this website first. No, I do not just give recommendations to good people to buy from, because things change and I am not going to throw my brand around like that. And by the way that’s an “ask-hole.” I know your character and the trajectory of your success but how you add value to others first instead of taking first. Some people are unaware of this which is why I’m saying something so I apologize. This could be the reason why people are not helping you out and you feel like a lone wolf.
I don’t really see much difference in the secondary markets with robust economies (Memphis, Kansas City, Birmingham, Atlanta, to name a few). I have tried to set things up so my different markets complement each other. For the most part, I buy in the 1.1-1.3% RV range. I take home 70% in 2015 but now in 2017, I buy in the 0.9-1.1% RV range and take home 60% of the rents after all expenses (vacancy and Cap ex).
I made this diagram in 2016 and it illustrates some of the popular “secondary markets with robust economies” that a lot of out of state turnkey buyers like to invest in. Things have changed a little but as you can see you can either have appreciation or cash flow. It’s tough to get the best of both worlds.
I stress NOT to spend too much time picking a market. If you sign up for investor incubator as a Hui member you will get more than enough data to create analysis paralysis. The biggest thing you can do is vet the people. As you can see the same principle is what I use in my syndication due diligence: 50% people & 50% the numbers of the deal.
There are three ways to purchase a turnkey rental:
- Marketer – I would not recommend going through a marketer, they don’t even invest themselves and they did not add any value. The only one I can recommend is Marco but that is because I know like and trust the guy. By the time I bought my 3rd rental I knew way more than those folks did. Unfortunately, I probably overpaid by a few grand on each of those first few properties not knowing what I don’t know, Work with me only if you want to compress time and want me to look over your shoulder to get my unbiased opinions and guidance. Plus you will be setup with a plan and not shoot yourself in the foot like I did by buying a dozen non-scalable investments.
- Direct from Turnkey Provider – You cut out the middleman and go direct to the source, theoretically getting the best price. Just know that you are not represented by a broker who supposedly has a fiduciary responsibility to you. (BTW never trust a broker) The transactions are done with their paperwork and their rules. They are the pros and it’s dangerous for a newbie to go down this route. There are household Turnkey Providers (TKPs) out there but I call them the “Prada of Providers”. You pay for what you get and often times more than what it’s worth – I’ll just say you are paying over 105% of retail.
- Hybrid method – When I was going through my buying spree in 2015-2016, I was going (off market) via an agent that had a fiduciary responsibility to me to check all the BS that the providers give you – this is what I recommend only after going through the process a few times. Usually, the agent helping you is not an investor and does not really know what type of amenities/floor plans and locations are best for rentals. You will need to drive the ship. Note: I see brokers all the time trying to sell junk to new investors.
- Another cool site out there is Roofstock which is where I sold my turnkey rentals to step up to syndications. Use the link get a $500 credit when you register… They give me $50 credit but I don’t think I will buy another turnkey rental again ;P
These photos below are examples of what happens if your property manager doesn’t properly screen your tenants. Check out these disaster photos from an eviction that ended up being a $37K repair bill… https://photos.app.goo.gl/R4PZLuOLGHONO5Rl2
Stay away from turnkey providers who…
- Don’t allow financing or a finance contingency because they are selling above market value (which will be revealed by an appraisal)
- Don’t allow your own independent property inspection or referring inspectors to you
- Are not realistic with their pro forma’s (i.e. they don’t include vacancy or maintenance projections or use unrealistically low vacancy factors) – just don’t take anyone’s proforma ever!
- Require you to pay for any renovation upfront – sometime this works if you have worked with them in the past
- Sell only in cheap or low end neighborhoods (Class C or D) and never trust what they say what Class it is.
- Can’t provide a scope of work for the property
- Can’t provide references of repeat investors
As I was in the middle of my 1031 buying spree (#6 of 11), a lot of TKPs started to come out of the woodwork and offered their properties to me and gave me the royal treatment (discounted prices from what they normally offer). I got to meet a lot of them via meetups and national conferences because I had this podcast and they were interested in getting at the Hui Deal Pipeline Club ecosystem. Since I was pretty experienced and they liked working with me they offered me referral fees to simply send guys like you over to them with a simple “CC’ed” email. Sort of like a referral source where they would give me $1000 per home sold. I thought it made sense for them because it was a lot cheaper than paying $6000+ to a Marketer (#1 above), but as you know when you go with a marketer or this sort of referral program the buyer (you) don’t really get any value add. That said if you want $500 credit at Roofstock use this link.
Personally, I’m not really into picking up $1000 referral checks and passing you off to the TKP (never to hear from you again) since I’m more looking to give back to other investors and build my network for my larger syndication deals in the Hui Deal Pipeline Club.
“I have B- class rentals and high that rent for at least $900 a month and I am still having a hard time selling dang properties to other cheapo investors
I strongly urge you to clean house (with the tenant) and start new (even though you have to pay your property manager a lease-up fee). That way you don’t have to inherit “step-children” tenants and can start out on the right foot to set the right expectations. This also eliminates excuses from your property management company because they put the tenants there themselves. I made this mistake because I wanted to save $500 bucks by not having to pay a lease-up fee and not have to go through a couple months of vacancy off the bat. Again me being a cheapo.
Getting an Appraisal
Those of you buying your own rental properties with Fannie/Freddie loans are aware and probably agree, the appraisal piece of residential real estate investing isn’t a foregone conclusion leading to a successful closing. Your deal could be shot down by an appraiser that can’t seem to understand how a $30k house with $20k of rehab can be worth $70k in a couple months. Remember the vast majority (over 95%) of appraisers cater to almost exclusively the ‘owner-occupied’ property appraisals. Very few appraisers are well versed or adept in our non-owner occupied properties, especially when we throw in a distressed sale, rehab/renovation work etc. As a result, we find ourselves (all of us) on occasion on the other end of a short appraisal that will either kill our deal or significantly reduce our profit margins. Now I just want to mention that appraisals do serve some purpose to determining value, but for more sophisticated investors find appraisals a little annoying. A little backstory… Pre-2008 crash there was little regulation for appraisers and they could easily be bought off at the job site with cash or others on the job favors. The government got involved and they mandated that if you were going to get a government sponsored Fannie or Freddie loan that you needed to go through an AMC (appraisal management company). This is the third party that the regulatory agencies of residential financing require we use for ordering an appraisal. Some lenders (Hui members will and especially Mastermind members will get referrals) operating within confines and strict regulation of housing/lending have created a short-list of ‘self-managed’ AMC that allows lenders to create preferred panels of appraisers in all the markets we lend in. In other words, you get to hand appraisers that you know. When an appraisal order goes out, it now goes out as a random selection to this preferred panel of appraisers vs the master pool of appraisers within the entire AMC database. We’ve found this greatly reduces the possibility of a short value. This is why I like investing in real estate or when I know the right people because it’s essentially like inside trading.
There is really no reason why you cannot put in an offer on a property and start collecting $300 a month with a $25K down payment in under 90 days. Someone who is still “reading”, “contacting investors”, or “picking a market” frankly lacks focus (finish one course until success) or scared of making a move. Every day you don’t do anything is $500 a month of opportunity costs!
My rentals in Seattle were cash flowing each with $600-800 a month but it was because I bought at the right time and I did not look at the numbers like a sophisticated investor does. Although my cashflow was good (bad in terms of percentages) I realized that my return on deployable equity was very low, in fact it was under 5%. Each rental I got after typically cash flowed by $350 but I think of it like $250 to be conservative and more importantly, my money is not being lazy. I think if you’re making less than 8 percent you’re better off in the stock market despite my aversion toward stocks or mutual funds. A sophisticated investor does not say “well… at least I’m able to cover my mortgage”. They are constantly monitoring their return on equity.
I wasted a lot of time in 2012-2013 looking for rentals in King, Snohomish, and Pierce County (Washington state) and nothing cash flowed. I still have the spreadsheets where I underwrote how crappy the cash flow was. Now prices are even worse.
I helped dozens of people with this out of state investing game and have pretty much figured it out after making a bunch of mistakes that I didn’t realize till later – this is why it makes me laugh with the “do it yourselfers”.
Lively commentary in our Facebook community. #Livewhereyouwantinvestwhereyoucanevict
One mistake I see people making is going after these sucker properties that only can be sold to “Californians,” “Hawaiians,” or any rich person not from the area perceived to have trees that money grows on, from a trust fund, and drink seven Mai Tais on the beach everyday.
These types of people (not followers of SimplePassiveCashflow.com) like to pay a plumber for ten hours to fix a small toilet leak.
Sucker properties are in the wrong area that none of the locals would touch with a ten-foot pole. They are C or D class properties that the Broker calls “B-Class or good area” and usually cost sub $60K for $750 rents a month.
“It may look good on paper but stick to rents that are higher than $900 a month”
I see newbies buying 2-8 unit properties after hearing all the good things about multi-family and scaling. I think most highly paid professionals will graduate to syndications (which is why I structure business and own investing around them) and therefore will need to sell these SFHs to move up. The exit strategy on selling 2-8+ just is not there. They look good on paper but the exit strategy kills you. If you are thinking you are going to hold on to these properties for cashflow for 7+years think again because that is not what sophisticated investors do because they monitor their ROE and they know the cap-ex tidal wave will hit them in year 5-12 taking back all those profits from the earlier years.
How many turnkey homes are people buying? Here is one data set I found from one popular turnkey provider. Takeaway – most (82%) get a few properties and the rest don’t get it or are too lazy.
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I built everything on this website to be able to help out as many people get to financial freedom as a way to give back. However the biggest part of investing especially as you net worth goes over $250,000 is that all the knowledge will not help you. Instead it is all your network. This is where joining the incubator comes in. I thought I could do it all alone which is why it took me so long to get to 11 rentals myself. Until I found other high net worth investors to bounce ideas off of, I was just another Joe investor out there.
Here is just a tip of the iceberg but for now, I would dig up data on population growth of area and media income. Maker sure you dig a bit deeper on submarket think Arlington vs Dallas. The details are in the Sub market which needs to ultimately verified in a site visit. The thought here is that the more desirable areas have that built into the pricing. You are trying to find value. Also, check up large employers moving in or other new development. Those are the signs or future expansion.
If you need the provider list, sign-up for the remote investor incubator.
I would do your own due-diligence and learn about rentals by talking to as many people as you can.
I know eventually, you will find that working with my team is the going to be the optimal path forward as I am committed to mentoring you as an investor so you will continue on this investor journey to bigger and better deals.
I stand behind REI Trader and support you through the entire buying process – I don’t just pass you off to the Turn Key provider and say peace out…
The properties have good value for the purpose of rental real estate. The due-diligence that we do after the purchase contract is signed is the secret sauce and the unfair advantage over other turnkey options. Yes, there are a few perennial Turn Key companies however you will pay over market rates (110% retail).
The broker that helps you with boots on the ground with REI Trader is property agnostic. In fact, they don’t care if you buy that property or not. We know you will buy the right one eventually. We want to build a relationship with you the investor. Most clients buy one property, come back for more, and tell their friends.
Typically, on financed transactions it’s about $650 split 50/50.
Normally, I don’t recommend these types of new builds especially in new areas. When a recession these are the first to go offline ass opposed to mature communities that have been around for a while and established homeowners.
This is what I think of (First 2 min) – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MesrrYyuoa4
Here is a spreadsheet with the math behind making your own turnkey company.
First off do not go to a big bank lender like Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo. Even worse they use the same guy that got them their primary residence. Don’t use those guys cause now you are buying a remove non-owner occupied rental!
You are getting an investment property that you are not going to live in. It is a going to be a little different and a typical residential owner occupied property and the drone working at those big banks will just mess it up as the file gets passed from the sales guy (the one you interact with) to the underwriters (people who cover the banks butt).
Not all lenders are created equal. And it always preferred to work with a lender who is an investor too or works with other sophisticated investors to draw the best practices as opposed to it being a blind leading the blind experience.
If you are serious buyer join the incubator and I’ll connect you with who we use.
I coach our students so they don’t stay anything negative on the record so the lender does not get spooked. This is an example of knowing what you don’t know and where you are going to pay for your education in terms of a mentor or mistakes.
Although lending terms change check out this discussion on loans for 1-4 unit income properties here.
Turnkey Exit Game (2018-2019)
I began listing my Turnkeys on Roofstock.com who are a lot cheaper than a regular broker and there are more investors that are looking for an occupied rental property. So it is good how you don’t have to go without a tenant and miss out on the monthly rent checks. The downside is that it’s really easy for buyers to put in lowball prices which gets pretty annoying. Although the certification process was not too bad since my property management took care of all the home inspections with the Roofstock inspector. Out of 10 rentals a couple of them sold in the first few months of 2018, the action dipped dramatically. I was not desperate to sell because the properties were stabilized and giving good cashflow and I did not want to have too much liquidity. I was fortunate to find a lot of syndication deals to go into 2nd half of 2018 to go into which motivated me to sell these properties more.
“I honestly believe it is a fine balancing game. You can have a PM that is methodical and takes their time finding a “better” long term tenant and it may cost you a couple months of rent but you hopefully make it up on longer tenancies, less evictions and less turnover costs. On the other hand, you can be like one of my prior TK PMs and burn and turn the property quickly fill with a “decent” tenant but may have more risk of evicting and a costly turnover due to damages. The type and class of market greatly affects which side is easier. When I starting learning about the small margins PMs make for the amount of work they do, I can see why some prefer the latter. They don’t have to pay for the evictions, fines, and renovations. Also, since margins are small, they more likely have to take on more rentals, which then gives less time and attention to your property. The task is finding a PM with a great system in place and operates in line with your investing strategy but you have to understand it may be hard to get it all.
I agree with Peter, work the PM, see if they can get it leased using promos or by lowering rent. Lowering rent by $25-50 a month for a year is less than another month vacant (unless your rent is less than $600).
This is from my limited knowledge and experience but is one of the reasons I got away from SFH. With my limited time, I didnt want to have to deal with emails about missed rents or costly make readies. I also dont have the capital to scale quickly enough to mitigate the effects of each incident.
What I found worked well was to rehab the 3-5 of the properties after the tenants just happen to turn over. Each time I was able to do 10-25K of rehab to get it close to retail status. Part of that cost was to just get the property cleaned up which I would have incurred anyway if I got it back online as a rental.”
“Honestly, I am hesitant to buy more at this point. Unless you have contacts out there that you can tap, getting into turn keys requires a premium that I’m not sure is worth it if you have to buy from a marketer. This transaction was off market which helped, and even with the 10% decrease in rents I can still make money, but it’s frustrating leaving it all up to a PM that’s out of state. I’m a control freak and like to stay on top of people that are doing jobs for me, so it’s been difficult for me to just sit back and trust that every effort is being made to rent my place. But, then again, I have one property there and know that I’m not a huge priority in terms of his other property owners that he deals with. I understand this. I kind of did this as a learning experiment knowing that I could face challenges. The problem is exactly what Lane talks about all the time – inability to scale effectively and difficulty in limiting downside risk. Even if you have a portfolio of 10-15 properties, you’re bound to have a big loss at one of your properties every year – whether it be HVAC, eviction, roof, vandalism, etc. I think, for me, I will concentrate on only syndications going forward unless a great deal presents itself. I believe in being really good at one or a couple of things and trying not to spread myself too thin trying in order to learn all sorts of different asset classes at this point in my journey.”
–Mastermind member & Accredited investor
For those who have rentals, you understand how ~20% of renters are like gold. They stay a long time (3 years plus) and are perfect citizens. A couple of my rentals had such tenants which I still own today and will likely rehab a bit to sell retail then. Part of this protocol is contributed to the fact that I don’t really need the proceeds of these sales to go into the next syndication because my W2 day job and cashflow kept me going. Only a couple of the renters I felt I sort of “forced” or did not renew their leases because I felt I needed to get my equity out and working again. Don’t worry I was nice about that and I gave them a heads up and worked with their schedule while waiting till the springtime so I could time a summertime sale.
Sorry, I don’t really have time to write a full report on all the numbers like other websites… I had other better things to do at the time like close bigger deals. But most of the deals I made $10-25K from the sale after it was all said and done, one I lost money on (dog poop house see images below), and a few I pretty much broke even on after all the headache. In the end, I felt like it was all luck and predicated on getting a couple of buyers to get into a bidding war for my property (a situation that would never happen in a soft market).
Turnkey Rental After-life
Today I buy apartment buildings like this 193 unit in San Antonio where I work with a deal finding specialist on my team but it took me almost ten years to get there.
When I started this blog/podcasts I was totally into these Turnkey Rentals. I even started to blog on a couple of them in detail:
I moved onto bigger more scalable assets mostly because of stuff like this happening:
“I do have some unfortunate news. My crew showed up this morning and there was an empty police car in the driveway along with a note from the officer. Overnight, the outdoor section of the AC unit was cut and stolen (no sign of breaking in). My crew said he spoke with the neighbors (to the right of the home) and at about 1-2 in the morning a black truck was going around the neighborhood cutting AC units and taking them. The neighbors called the police and they came out to do their work. I called the Dekalb County Police and asked them what I would need to do and what the next steps are. They said, if we want a copy of the police report to come down to the office and present them the case number and if there is any news they would let us know. I have attached photos of the card the police officer left along with photos of the damage. It is very unfortunate and I do apologize this happening. The AC just got inspected and serviced yesterday and everything else is running smooth. I am waiting to hear back from the HVAC tech about what it is going to replace the missing unit and repairs to the lines, once I receive the service report. I will be sure to keep you up to date with any news or information. Please let me know if you have any questions. Once again, thank you for your time and I do hate that this has happened.”
As much as I poke fun at the asset class and jokingly call it “turkey” instead of turnkey rentals it all started here and is the foundation of my investing portfolio.
Here are more resources:
- *The Analyzer Video Walk Through- https://youtu.be/qr8M6NMBhRw
- *Download 2018 Buy & Hold Analyzer Spreadsheet – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kMAn962d52UN-ObKNWmjT11z6gqATR1I
- *SPC005 – So you want to buy a Turnkey Rental – https://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-5-so-you…a-turnkey-rental/
- SPC014 – 22 questions to ask a turnkey provider – https://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-14-22-qu…turnkey-provider/
- SPC015 – 9 Turnkey listener questions Part 1 – https://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-15-9-turnkey-listener-questions-part-1/
- All the SFH related material – https://simplepassivecashflow.com/tag/sfh/
- Link to get a free quote on renters insurance
- Lenders, turnkey providers, provided in the Passive Investor Accelerator & Mastermind-Mostly Accredited high paid professionals to connect with personally and build your own network (currently 60 members)
-27 modules of content in a closed membership site
-Bi-weekly Zoom Video calls (25+ on-demand recordings a year plus all library of past calls)
-Now with a membership coordinator check-in’s to help facilitate what you are doing and connect you with the right people in the group (if you are shy)
Refer me to a friend via email and I will personally send you both my spreadsheets of usual suspects of turnkey providers plus the questions I used to ask them for due diligence. And let me know if you would like a referral to my exclusive partners.
Here are the books I think you should read before moving forward.
In closure… Turnkey rentals is where most people should start but its really the gateway drug to syndications and scalable generational wealth.
***Put a red circle on your calendar 60 days from now and see where you get… and how much of your family’s time you waste as you consume websites, books, and podcasts.
You know what I mean ‘Jelly Bean’
I’ve noticed you have been lowering the upper limit over time for buying Turnkeys. It used to be <$750K, then <$500K, now it’s <$300K. Sorry, a $350K net worth is low and not likely to be sophisticated enough, and frankly a loss of $50K or $100K is huge. I know you stand to gain monetarily if someone invests with you, but you’ve been lowering the goalpost at an alarming rate. $300K and $500K are nothing with how much money is being inflated today. I like your original number – do active rentals, stocks, savings until $750K net worth, then start looking at deals that take non-accredited investors. It’s no rush.
If you found me back in 2018-2019, I thought that Turnkey remote rentals where really easy and anyone could do them… that’s why its called freaking “turnkey”. But after realizing that most people don’t have the time to do anything these days (ie pick up a dumbbell or go on a light job 2/3 times a week) there is no way they are going to build relationships with property managers, brokers, etc which is critical to setting up your organization. Basically most people are incapable of buying a rental just like how most people will never and should never attempt to start a business… and this is why we have day jobs). A further revelation in 2018, was that I realized that my wife would never be able to procure or operate “a turnkey” on her own… now she is no idiot but it further made me realize this turnkey thing is not for everyone. Today my general advice is it depends… if someone is technically inclined… versed in project management skills, contracts, and/or good people skills it is very possible for them to go down this path as ultimately this will lead to better understanding of this real estate rental business which will greatly improve their chances to vet syndication deals and build relationships with other accredited pure passive investors. Maybe I just want to shelter some people from failures or the few nightmare tenants I have had but maybe I am those who are less inclined who have the net worth to just skip to syndications sooner (well before getting to 1M net worth but well after 250k net worth) and take their chances with that. Hopefully they don’t invest with the wrong person who steals their money like what happened to me initially. How much money someone has has nothing really to do with their level of “sophistication”, in fact it is my observation that people with less money tend to do better due-dilligence unfortunately they also tend to have broke traditional thinking friends and therefore poor networks.