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Earning $30,000/mo through single-family homes and seller-financed notes.

Epic Real Estate started selling turnkey properties in 2009.

Built successful portfolio, but returns lowering. However, real estate always a good purchase to buy and hold long-term.

Amortization, depreciation, appreciation, and leverage (wealth multiplier) all make real estate investing attractive.

Focusing more on lease options now for C- and D-class properties to rent properties and eventually sell them to tenant.

Went from 7-figure year as a musician to bankrupt at 34. Found real estate mentor at grocery store and life changed.

Real estate is the final frontier for the average person to have a legitimate shot a creating wealth.

Paid $22,000 for mentorship in 2006. Everyone thought it was insane, but helped him get started.

People who made it were ready for it. “Move faster than your doubts.”

Find the deal first and then the money will find you.

Authored book “Do Over” that chronicled struggles and how he built his real estate empire.

Be intentional with who you surround yourself with. Peer pressure works.

Always be looking for a coach and outgrow them. Results accelerator.

Spends $100,000/year on masterminds – worth being around the right people of doers.

Goal was to increase passive income and decrease expenses. In 4 years became “retired,” but wants to be wealthy; not just financially independent.

Bookkeeper should be the first role you should outsource. Transaction coordinators and marketing person also helpful.

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Buying or renting? The biggest inhibitor to financial freedom?

Introduction

Home ownership is part of the American Dream. In the minds of many, psychologically and mentally, it represents security, stability, and financial independence. Renting has traditionally been seen as throwing money away, as many people also see homeownership as a financial investment in their future thanks to the popular belief that property will only ever rise in value, even if the recession of 2008 demonstrated otherwise.

The reality is that allowing for inflation, house prices have increased by just 1% during the last century, representing an extremely poor return on investment, and one that has been easily outperformed by the stock markets and direct investment in businesses and hard assets. Research has shown that the net value of homeowners is, on average, 44 times greater than that of non-homeowners, however, it’s unclear whether this is a correlation or causation.

So should you buy or rent? The truth is that there’s no ‘one size fits all’ answer to that question. Every individual has different circumstances that determine if buying or renting their home is best for their long-term financial prosperity. This guide is about you making the right financial decisions for you. It’ll examine the pros and cons of buying and renting, what you should take into account before making a decision, and the relative financial considerations of a mortgage versus rent.

If you are a numbers guy here is the spreadsheet – SimplePassiveCashflow style!

*I spent $300 dollars for an editor to get the grammar and spelling right on this article. I am sick and tired of seeing young families make this mistake.

What’s in this guide?

This guide will cover everything you need to consider about purchasing a home, renting, and purchasing a property to rent. This includes:

  • The advantages and disadvantages of renting
  • The advantages and disadvantages of buying
  • The costs associated with renting vs buying
  • Choosing a property
  • Taking on a home loan
  • Using your home to finance your future
  • Buying a property to rent
  • Useful resources

Financial freedom

Firstly, this guide is about helping you to achieve financial freedom. What the wealthy do to achieve security and optimize investment returns is not always conventional wisdom. When financial freedom is your goal, there are two simple principles to follow:

  1. Prioritize purchases/acquisitions that make you money
  2. If a purchase/acquisition doesn’t pay you and you are speculating on increasing home values, don’t do it.

While this may seem black and white, sticking to these principles will again depend upon your individual circumstances. See the difference in how the poor, the middle-class, and the wealthy live financially:

For some, buying will generate the most financial opportunities, for others it’ll be renting

Hint: If you can’t save money to save your life then buying a home acts as a forced savings account, which will benefit you in the future.

So let’s look at the case for each.

Rent or buy? What to consider

Before going any further in this guide and considering whether buying or renting a home is the best option for you, there are a few important things you should bear in mind as you continue. These are:

  • Are you comfortable living with unknown and variable costs? Or prefer having your costs fixed?
  • Do you like to personalize your home, or are you happy to live with other people’s choices?
  • How much space do you really need? Do you really need 2,000 square feet and that 4th bedroom to raise a family or is that your ego’s need to keep up with the Joneses talking?
  • How much time and work are you prepared to put into the upkeep and maintenance?

 

Renting

Chances are that you’ve been told repeatedly that renting is like flushing water down the toilet. That you are paying money out each month and twenty years later you have nothing to show for.

The wealthy do not believe this misnomer and see housing as just another line item in their personal finances.

Our changing lifestyles mean that renting can be a sensible option for many people which can actually help you achieve your financial dreams.

So what are the advantages of renting?

 

Flexibility and mobility

The biggest argument in favor of renting over buying is the flexibility and mobility it offers. If you have to – or want to – move regularly, then renting allows you to easily pick up and relocate. Equally, if you decide you don’t like the property/neighborhood after all, that your commute is too long, or that you want to get your kids into a better school district, you have the flexibility to do that. Remember, gone are the days where you stay a loyal employee for decades. Often many professionals need to be mobile to compete for the best positions and salaries. Many of my friends in IT and Tech report dusting off the resume after they have reached the 6-month employment milestone. Having geographical mobility is essential in competing for the best jobs.

 

Liquidity in difficult times

Renting can often be cheaper than buying. Some rents even include utilities, and when things break, it’s not your problem, call the landlord – it’s their problem! That means you have more available cash. Don’t forget that life is unpredictable and things change. Perhaps your income goes down, unexpected bills occur, your mom falls in the shower and can’t get up, or your deadbeat brother-in-law hears of the rental properties you are picking up and needs a place to hang out and join your family. The beauty of renting is that if your financial circumstances change, you have the option of moving to a cheaper property without too much difficulty instead of selling the home in a fire sale due out of distress.

 

Credit ratings

Not everyone has a perfect credit history. Experts estimate that around a third of all American adults have a credit score below 601 and so are considered a poor or bad risk. This greatly reduces the likelihood of qualifying for a regular home loan, meaning that borrowers would have to pay higher interest rates on any borrowings. If you fall into this category, buying is unlikely to be worth the expense.

Note: Don’t let real estate or lending brokers trick you into using the “scarcity tactic trick” where they say interest rates are at all-time lows! Buy now because it’s not getting any lower! Remember they get paid when you buy or originate a loan. Locking in a low-interest rate is a poor reason to go into a 30-year commitment for something you should not buy in the first place, even at a 0%.

 

Buyer’s remorse

A survey by Trulia found that 44% of American homeowners had some form of buyer’s remorse, and around a fifth had actually been prevented from changing their situation because of making a mistake when purchasing a home. With renting, if you’re not happy, you’re free to move at the end of your lease. Paying a couple of dudes to move your stuff from time to time is pretty cheap in the grand scheme of things.

 

Local costs

If the area you live in has high property taxes, high insurance costs, or low rent-to-value ratios, then the math on renting makes sense. The rent on identical properties can vary hugely based simply because of their location, for example a $100,000 house might be leased for $500 a month in one town but $1,500 in another. Where rent to ratio values are low, renting is the savvier decision. Often primary markets such as San Francisco, Seattle, Los Angeles, New York, Washington DC, Honolulu, (are cool places to live but) have low rent to value ratios, as a result of too much wealth living there driving up the overall market. Investing in secondary and tertiary markets where the rent to value ratios are high means that the income more than supports the mortgage and expenses, for positive cashflow. Examples of these locations are Atlanta, San Antonio, Houston, Indianapolis, Birmingham, Memphis, or Kansas City. In these areas, it may make sense to buy a primary residence to live in.

The disadvantages of renting

Of course, while there are many advantages to renting, there are also drawbacks that can’t be ignored, and each individual needs to decide if the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.

Not feeling at home

Tenants are rarely allowed to decorate the property the way they would like. Decor is usually neutral and can feel clinical. Personalization is usually limited to putting up pictures and damage caused by doing so must be rectified before the tenant leaves. If personalization is important to you, then get over it… nah just kidding 😉

Rent Increases

Rents usually rise annually. In some areas, rents increases are limited by local regulations. In most instances he landlord is free to increase it by as much as they like. In areas that are very popular, rent rises can be a significant increase to reflect increasing market demand.

Lack of security

While renting offers flexibility, it also lacks security. Your landlord might decide that they want to sell the property or have someone else live there. If you’re on a month to month lease, typically your landlord only needs to give 30-60 days’ notice.

Moving residences costs money, and you’ll need to find a deposit plus up to two months’ rent in advance for a new property, alongside the fees listed below. And that’s all before your landlord returns your deposit.

Tip: Building a relationship with your landlord could be invaluable. If you are renting a home in a primary market where the numbers don’t make sense, then chances are that you’re dealing with an amateur landlord. Often amateur landlords just want reliability and rent paid on time, as opposed to top dollar. You may be able to sign a longer rental agreement or just be given a further heads-up if the landlord is looking to make any moves with the property. They may need you more than you need them so try to negotiate a lower rent by signing a longer rent or a fair rent escalation factor.

Lack of tax breaks

Homeowners brag about claiming extra tax write offs on their mortgage interest against their tax bill. This is true that tenants can’t claim anything against their rent but this argument is a very weak one and likely dogma created by brokers to motivate you to create more transactional commissions.

Spending 100 dollars’ interest to deduct it on your taxes is actually one of the dumbest pieces of financial advice I have ever heard. They’re basically telling you to incur expenses to save a fraction of it. The tax benefits that you get as a real estate investor will blow the mortgage interest tax deduction out of the water due to taking other expenses as and operational business, depreciation, and not to mention the overwhelming greater return on investment if you bought a rental property than buying a primary residence to live in. And if you have seen the 2018 new tax laws it’s just a matter of time until the tax deduction for the regular person is going to be phased out. The middle-class just can’t catch a break!

Additional costs

Taking out a new lease incurs a number of costs. These can vary with state and your circumstances, but typically include:

  • Broker’s fee: whether or not you need a broker will depend on where you want to live. In many big cities, landlords or property managers frequently won’t consider any applications that haven’t come through a broker. Typical fees vary between one month’s rent and 15% of the total annual rent. However, this is not the case in most circumstances but I’m just trying to be a good journalist here.
  • Application fee: this covers the cost for credit and criminal background checks. Usually cost between $35-75 per person.
  • Security deposit: we’ve already mentioned this, and it’s generally set at one or two months’ rent. However, some property types, especially condominiums, charge a move-in fee as well. This covers the charge of updating mailboxes, reprogramming buzzers, etc. This can range from $100-$200.

Based on a $1,000 monthly rent:

 

Fee type Minimum Maximum
Broker’s fee $1000 $1800
Application fee $35 $75
Security deposit $1000 $2000
Move-in fee $100 $200
Total $2135 $4200

 

What about my furry friend?

Many rentals will charge a cleaning fee or surcharge for a pet. Due to people abusing the “service animal” loophole this is usually at the landlord’s discretion. However, more and more people are single or don’t have a roommate, landlords are becoming more accepting of our four legged friends.  In fact, many landlords including myself see your pet ownership as a sign that you are more of a dependable long term tenant – minus the crazy cat lady/man with more than 3 cats.

But my spouse wants to buy our own home?

If you are in a Primary market the prevailing market rent to value ratios under 1% usually means that if you rent you will be able to live in a much nicer home than if you bought, assuming you had the same PITI mortgage payment.

Say you are looking at a $1,600 mortgage on a $350,000 home (typical 20% down payment). Now consider taking that same $1,600 monthly payment you will be amazed that you would be able to live in a nicer home. This does not even take into account the hidden costs of homeownership that we will talk about in a bit – and you can dive into the numbers with the accompanying spreadsheet.

And by the way, have you ever driven a rental car? It’s a lot more fun when you are not worried about a dent or paint chip here or there.

 

Purchasing a home

Now we’ve looked at the pros and cons of renting, we’ll do the same for purchasing a home or property, what to consider when taking out a mortgage, and how your home could be used to finance purchasing a property to rent.

Supersize me “homeowner style”

Average sizes of homes have increased according to the U.S. Census Bureau. In 1973 the average home was 1,525 sq. ft. Today that number approaches 2,500 sq. ft. That’s almost a 64% increase in square footage on the average home!

Despite the average family size decreasing from 2.9 persons per household in 1973 to 2.5 persons today, kitchens have doubled in size in those 4 decades along with the average ceiling height in a home rising by more than a foot. But more space in a home ultimately means more space for “things” and the increase in maintenance costs. Add to the mix cheaper and faster construction methods and you have the beginnings of a bubble.

The graph below illustrates Robert Shiller’s data. Shiller, a Yale University Economics Professor, shows how housing prices have changed over time using an arbitrary starting point of 100 adjusting for inflation.

Difference between a home and a property

This might seem like a strange concept, but there is a difference between a home and a property. Why? A home is somewhere you live, where you invest emotionally as well financially. It’s your anchor. A property can be anything from a piece of land to a luxury penthouse, but where you don’t intend to live and is purchased as an investment.

Buying a home is a huge commitment. No-one can argue with that. While home ownership is usually associated with stability and security to many, that stability and security can be a double edge sword become if your circumstances change.

When our parents and grandparents bought their homes, they probably expected to stay in the same area, near their families, working for the same employer for most of their life. If they wanted a new job, chances were that they’d find one in the same area. People didn’t often move away from their roots.

Employment trends have changed where very few jobs are for life anymore. And many people – especially professionals – find themselves looking further afield for work. Perhaps the perfect job is on the other side of the country. What do you do? Being tied into owning a home can restrict where you can work and, therefore, your earning potential.

Homeownership also ties up your cashflow, and the more expensive your property, the more that’s true.

The biggest mistake I see young couples make is not having a personal balance sheet that has a net positive cashflow. This cashflow is the oxygen for investing and learning about investing. Along with just plain overspending, buying a house is the biggest cashflow suck in the middle-classes’ budget.

For an analysis of the opportunity costs – check out the accompaniment spreadsheet that outlines the numbers.

The Big Questions

Before deciding to purchase your home, you need to understand what your priorities are. Without understanding these, you could easily make a costly mistake. Let’s call these The Big Questions, and they are:

  • What do you want your financial situation to be in five or ten years’ time? What would your desired savings be? Are those savings realistic and achievable if you purchase a home?
  • What space do you consider essential? How much do you own? Are you willing to downsize and declutter if necessary? Are you someone who likes to be able to get away from the other people in the house and have your own space? Would you be prepared put your ego aside to live with a smaller home if this gives you financial freedom?
  • How much time are you prepared to spend on renovation, repairs, and maintenance?
  • I know what you young parents are thinking… and I ask you do your kids really need a yard? They’re on their electronics all the time anyway. And with you taking that higher paid job to afford the mortgage they will never see you.

The advantages of homeowning

  • Depending on the area, mortgage repayments can be lower than rent.
  • Unlike renting, where a landlord can decide not to renew your contract, you can live there as long as you like as long as you make your monthly payments and ever-increasing property taxes.
  • A fixed rate mortgage means that your costs are predictable.
  • The interest and property tax on the mortgage are tax deductible. Note: BS Flag!
  • For those who struggle to save, a home is a forced savings plan.
  • The value of the home may
  • You have an asset you can sell or refinance if you need access to cash.

The disadvantages of home ownership

  • It’s a very long-term financial commitment. How many of us can imagine where we’ll be in thirty years? 5 years even?
  • Mortgage payments may not be cheaper than renting. And purchasing a property requires a down payment plus considerable closing costs. Money today is more valuable than in the future especially if you can invest and make 10-20% per year.
  • Any maintenance and repairs are your responsibility. There’s no way to predict what might go wrong, and costs can add up.
  • Should you want or need to move, selling a home can take some time, making you less mobile.
  • The value of your home may fall, depending on the economy.
  • You can have terrible neighbors who start a side business selling Meth or, potentially more impactful, have the next door teenager start their own garage band.
  • If your life circumstances change, e.g. your wages fall and you can’t afford the mortgage, then you’re stuck in the situation until you’re able to sell.
  • Have you ever seen those scummy “buy your home for cash” ads? It works because everyday people run into problems and one day it might be you. (Sorry, that was a low-brow sales technique!)

The History of a Mortgage

Majority homeownership in the United States is mostly a recent phenomenon. Until the mid 1940’s, most Americans did not own their places of residence.

Big banks and their activities could be argued to have been the catalyst for the “American Dream” of homeownership becoming the majority statistic post-1950. The National Bank Acts of the 1860’s kick-started this gradual change. US Treasury securities now backed the US National Currency and standardized practices of US national banks. And by the 1890’s, American banks saw the popularity of Mortgages rise.

These early mortgages at the turn of the 1900s were in stark contrast to those that we see today. A typical homeowner in 1916 would pay up to 50% down with a 5-year interest-only-structure whereas a typical homeowner will save for 20% with the standard 30-year plan.

Amortized interest front loads the fees and interest in the beginning of the terms and greatly advantages the bank instead of the homeowner. For more discussion on this phenomenon check out this webinar on the topic to pay your mortgage off much faster with instead of simple interest.

What to consider when taking on a mortgage

The vast majority of people purchasing a property, whether it’s for their own use or to rent, will need a mortgage. A mortgage is a long-term commitment, typically thirty years in the USA. Fifteen years is the next most popular option. On average, most people now occupy the same home for around nine years.

Purchasing a home isn’t cheap. Lenders typically require a 20% down payment, which immediately reduces your available funds. You’re then tied into an ongoing financial commitment that reduces your cashflow for years to come. Even though the high level of competition in the mortgage market means that interest rates are generally competitive, mortgage payments are still a significant chunk of your income.

If you are also a real estate investor looking for additional income be mindful that one of the biggest factor’s in getting a loan is the debt-to-income ratio. Having a large mortgage (loan) without the income coming in from your primary residence will greatly impact this ratio.

Fixed rate mortgages vs adjustable rate

We all know that interest rates vary. Most Americans opt for fixed interest mortgages, preferring to know what their costs will be for the foreseeable future. The downside is that any drop in rates can be taken advantage of only through refinancing, which incurs additional costs.

While Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs) are available, and often have lower interest rates initially, rates can rise dramatically if the economy changes, making them a higher risk. However, homeowners can always refinance.

Costs of taking out a mortgage

As mentioned above, there are a number of costs associated with securing a mortgage, which can become significant. Although they can vary depending on the state and municipality, these costs, typically are:

  • Mortgage application fee: around 1% of the total loan, payable on the application even if the loan isn’t approved. This is why it seems like everyone is trying to give you a loan because it’s really profitable to be a lending broker.
  • Home appraisal charges: even if you stay with the same lender, they may want to appraise your home to confirm the current market value. Charges vary between $225 and $700.
  • Loan origination fees: a charge applied by the lender for processing the loan, before the application is sent to the underwriter. Usually between 0.5% and 1%. The smaller the loan, the higher the percentage is likely to be as both require the same amount of work.
  • Documents preparation fee: a charge for preparing key documents, including the refinance mortgage, note, and truth-in-lending statements. Typically, $200-500.
  • Title search fee: before lending, the lender wants to check that the home’s title is free and clear of liens and encumbrances. It’s usually carried out by a separate company which will check court records, prior deeds, and property databases. Usually $700-900, which includes insurance to protect the borrower against any losses caused by legal issues relating to the search.
  • Recording fee: set by local or State government, these are the fees for recording the refinancing publicly. Varies between $25 and $250.
  • Survey fee: to ensure that the property boundaries are followed and are not being encroached on by adjacent properties. Usually between $175-300.
  • Inspection fee: not always necessary, but some lenders require an inspection of the home’s plumbing, electrical and HVAC systems and roofing, and check for potential infestation. $175-300.
  • Attorney fees: again, not always required, but some states require attorneys for both the borrower and lender to confirm that the closing documentation is correct. Typically, $500-1000
  • Flood certification: if a property is in a federally-designated flood zone, homeowners may be required to add flood or life of loan insurance coverage. Certification costs between $50-150.

Fess on a $100,000 mortgage:

Fee type Minimum Maximum
Application fee $1000 $1000
Home appraisal $225 $700
Loan origination fees $1000 $1500
Document preparation fee $200 $500
Title search fee $700 $900
Survey fee $150 $400
Inspection fees 0 $300
Attorney fees 0 $1000
Flood certification 0 $150
Total $3275 $6450

 

These are all in addition to a 20% down payment.

While these costs may be negotiable to an extent, they still add up. It may be possible to roll the costs into the loan, but will then attract interest alongside the capital amount, and may push up the interest rate.

Choosing a home

Part of the purpose of this guide is to help you achieve financial freedom. Choosing the right property will make a real difference to the possibility of doing this, so careful consideration needs to be given when purchasing a home. Remember you are competing with other emotional buyers. It’s a race to the bottom, and based on the “greater fools theory” where there will always be a greater fool paying more.

Property size

When buying a home, people often choose to buy the biggest and most expensive home they can afford. A logical fallacy is to think “this is my forever home where my 5 kids and grandchildren will hang out!”

It’s not surprising as homeowners want the best for themselves and their family. But purchasing the best home on the market and being financially solvent is mutually exclusive. Instead, buyers should consider taking on a smaller, cheaper property. Not only will mortgage costs be lower, so will maintenance and taxes, and you’ll have better cash flow which can be the foundation of your financial freedom.

Apartments vs houses

Apartments offer a number of benefits. Again, they are usually cheaper than houses and are easier to maintain. Even better, emergency costs are shared by all the residents in the building, reducing the cost of repairs.

As investors, we like investing in apartments as opposed to homes. Simply put tenants can only screw up 6 sides of the property in an apartment (ground, ceiling, and 4 walls) whereas a home has a total 10 sides and a yard at their disposal. Factor this into your decision as you evaluation the hidden maintenance cost.

Cheaper properties

A cheaper property means the down payment needed is smaller. If you have a large enough amount, the funds could be used as a down payment on two or more properties for an immediate investment. Alternatively, as lower costs free up cash, these savings can be used to purchase another rental property which is proven to snowball into more and more investments.

The problem with a fixer-upper

If you’re buying a home, you want it to increase in value. Taking on a fixer-upper can seem like a way of guaranteeing this, which is why it’s become a very popular option with people who can’t afford a decent house in a good area. But while taking on a fixer-upper can seem attractive there are a number of common mistakes that inexperienced buyers make which end up costing them money rather than making it. These are:

  • Rushing into a purchase without fully costing out the necessary work or considering all the holding and sales costs.
  • Buying an overpriced value home rather than a fixer-upper. A true fixer-upper should be around 10-20% under the local market value.
  • Not checking the floorplans and layout to ensure that they’re accurate and workable, leading to considerable expenditure to correct it.
  • Finding out that the property has foundational or structural issues.
  • Underestimating the cost of repairs.
  • Underestimating the work required.
  • Not considering whether it’s an area that people are likely to want to live in. This is especially true if adjacent properties are boarded up or also require extensive work.
  • The repairs are NOT financed, so require more funds out of your pocket, which again cripples your precious investment capital. In terms of the finances and return on your equity this is where you hurt the most.

Using your home to purchase other properties

Another way of purchasing other properties is to use the equity you’ve built up in your home. This can be done by a complete refinance of your home or you could consider taking out a HELOC.

HELOC stands for ‘home equity line of credit’ or, more simply, ‘home equity line’. In some ways, it’s similar to a mortgage, as it is a debt secured against your property. It differs from a mortgage in two significant ways. These are:

  • A home equity loan (mortgage) is a lump sum, paid at once. A HELOC allows homeowners to borrow or draw money on multiple occasions usually over a period of 5-10 years, as the need arises, up to a maximum amount.
  • As mentioned above, a home equity loan usually has a fixed mortgage rate, while a HELOC normally has variable interest rates linked to Bank Prime.

Typically, during the first 5-10 years, borrowers need to pay back only the interest on the sum(s) they have borrowed. Repayment periods begin after the borrowing period and are usually between 10-20 years. The repayment amount is calculated by dividing the capital accessed by the number of months in the repayment period. However, borrowers should be aware that some lenders require the capital to be repaid in its entirety at the end of the drawdown period.

Some lenders won’t allow a second charge to be secured against properties, so borrowers should seek permission from their mortgage company first.

Advantages of HELOC

  • HELOCs are a convenient way of funding one-off needs, such as a down payment on a second property, or renovation.
  • Interest is paid only on the sum borrowed, and during the drawdown period, borrowers can repay just the interest.
  • Upfront costs are very low. The cost for taking out a $150,000 HELOC loan is typically less than $1000 and may be paid by the lender without a rate adjustment.
  • Some HELOCs can be converted into fixed-rate loans when a drawdown is taken.

Disadvantages of a HELOC

  • HELOCs are adjustable rate mortgages (ARM) but are much riskier than a standard ARM thanks to the way the interest is calculated. If the interest rate increases on 30 April, then the HELOC rate will rise on 1 May. There are also no interest rate caps.
  • Ensuring that the HELOC is repaid can require considerable financial discipline, especially if the capital must be repaid at the end of the drawdown period.

Buying a property to rent

As fewer people are buying their own home, there is a strong demand for rental properties across the country. This demand has been fueled by factors such as the 2008 economic crash, the high number of people with poor credit ratings, stagnant wages, rising house prices, and the increased mobility of the workforce.

Owning one or more rental properties can be a good investment in your financial freedom. But it requires careful consideration. It’s not like buying a home. When you buy your home things like space, schools and amenities will be your primary focus, and you’re likely to spend more to get your perfect house.

When choosing a rental, you need to look at the local market. Check with local real estate agents what type of properties are in demand and choose accordingly. It may be that single bed apartments are snapped up, or that there’s a shortage of family homes. Buying in the best locations with the best school districts will lead to more competition and overpaying for the asset and its income stream.

If you do your homework, buying a property to rent can be profitable over time. It’s a way of generating a passive income, while also building up savings through increasing the equity in the property. In many cases, renting will cover the mortgage and the taxes, if not generate a small profit on top.

Renting out your home

Should you want to relocate or want to improve your cashflow, renting out your own home is a possibility. However, this option comes with a number of potential complications – both financial and emotional – that need to be considered.

Financially, you’ll need to inform your mortgage company when your home stops being your residence. Different mortgage lenders have different rules for borrowers who convert their homes into rental properties. It’s common for them to require you to live in your home for at least two years. Typically, interest rates for buy to rent properties are higher because of the increased risk to the property, and you may need to refinance.

When you purchase a home, you invest in it emotionally as well as financially. You decorate it in your preferred style. You make memories there. You have a connection. Then strangers live in your home. Perhaps they’ll be good renters and take care of it as if it were their own. But perhaps they won’t and seeing what was once your home damaged can be a devastating experience. Even if you find good tenants, seeing someone else in your home can be an emotional experience. With a property bought purely as an investment, it’s much easier to be dispassionate and deal calmly with any issues.

Factors to consider when buying a property to rent

Just as with deciding whether to rent or buy your home, deciding where – or even whether – to buy to rent needs to be carefully considered.

Rent to value ratios

The Rent-to-Value Ratio is a quick calculation real estate investors run to determine if a property will cashflow. Take a $100,000 home that rents for $1,000 a month, the Rent-to-Value Ratio would be 1% ($100,000/$1,000). One of the biggest factors to consider when buying a rental property is the rent to value ratio. In some areas, such as Seattle, Los Angeles and the East Coast, properties are expensive to buy, but rents are relatively low. In these areas, rent to value ratios can be less than 0.75%, meaning that there is little chance of even covering the costs, making purchasing a property a poor decision. In areas where housing is cheaper to buy and rent to value ratios are much higher, then it makes sense to purchase a property and rent it out. Some markets you can find these Rent-to-Value Ratios over 1.5% in solid areas.

Type of property

As already mentioned, knowing the local market and which type of properties are in demand is important. A property sitting empty is costing you money, not generating it. However, even knowing that, there is still the decision as to whether it’s better to take on a more expensive property that will attract a higher rent, or two or more smaller ones that may have a higher rent to value ratio even though the rents are lower.

Location

In real estate, the mantra is ‘location, location, location’, and that’s just as true for rental properties. Getting the location of the property right is just as important as choosing the right property type. If the market wants apartments in the city and large houses in the suburbs, buying an apartment in the suburb could be a costly mistake.

Location opens up other possibilities such as vacation properties. These can range from city apartments, beach or lake-front houses, to near big tourist attractions, anywhere that people are keen to visit. With the development of sites such as AirBnB, it’s easy to advertise properties for short-term rentals. While the property is likely to be empty at times this could easily be offset by the higher amounts that you can charge, and you can get to enjoy the property too.

Resources

Hopefully this guide has given you plenty to think about, and you now feel confident that you’re in a position to make decisions that will benefit your financial future. However, the right decision needs the right information, and so we’ve included these rent-vs-buy calculators from Realtor.com and Trulia.com to provide a personalized breakdown to assess whether buying or renting in your neighborhood of choice is most financially beneficial option for you.

Closing

The wealthy (not necessarily the rich) believe that home is not a place or house. It is the people that make a home. All too often a big house (the dream) is paired with long commutes and stressful jobs which minimizes the time away from home and what really matters.

The wealthy don’t attempt to keep up with the Joneses. They keep things simple and spend their resources (time and money) on the essentials and make sound financial decisions.

On an emotional note, although buying a home goes against everything from an investment standpoint there is something to be said about the security of owning especially if you have a family with kids.

We skimmed the surface on rental properties. For more information please visit SimplePassiveCashflow.com and check out our podcast.

About the author

Lane Kawaoka is co-owner of MFPE Investments LLC, which controls 1400+ units and where he is responsible for finding investment opportunities, analysis, and marketing. Mr. Kawaoka obtained a BS in Industrial Engineer and MS in Civil Engineering and Construction Management from the University of Washington. In addition to an analytical engineering background, Lane has real world experience in working as a project manager for over $220 million dollars of capital construction projects in both the public and private sector. Working as a high paid professional in Corporate America and frustrated by the traditional wealth building dogma, Lane was compelled to inspire and mentor other working professionals via his top rated podcast at SimplePassiveCashflow.com.

 

The Journey to Simple Passive Cashflow – Preview

This course is currently in Beta mode and Beta pricing. Email Lane@SimplePassiveCashflow.com if you want a deal.

Week #1 – Introduction to the “Journey to Simple Passive Cashflow”

Week #2 – Seeing the Matrix – You will know why the middle class is shrinking and what you can do to continue your same standard of living

Week #3 – About Me – Learn about my background and why I have the formula for high paid working professionals to escape the rat race

Week #4 – Real Estate Investing from a 30,000 foot view part 1 – You will understand real estate investing and all the options. We will cut through the noise and identify what are the best options for the high paid professional

Week #5 –  Real Estate Investing from a 30,000 foot view Part 2 – Continuation with the addition of downloadable tools

Week #6 – A free special gift

Week #7 – Fundamentals – You will get to know the basics of what every investor needs to know without reading a gazillion books or going through hours of boring podcasts

Week #8 – In-Field Experience – A guide to effectively network and build your investor circle

Week #9 2018 Trends – The Fundamentals don’t change but the market climate changes so here is the latest market report and things to be on the lookout for

Week #10 – Buying a Rental Property Part 1: Acquisition – Start shopping for deals and refine your criteria to be able to spot out your next addition to your growing portfolio

Week #11Buying a Rental Property Part 2: Lending – You can’t buy anything and use leverage effectively if you don’t know the basics of using the bank to your advantage.

Week #12 – Buying a Rental Property Part 3: Operation – Congratulations you are a rental property owner but that’s only half the battle. Now we focus on managing the manager so we can optimize our returns.

Week #13 Buying a Rental Property Part 4: Mentorship/Networking – You net worth is your network. Don’t be that guy who repels help and good ideas and the last person to hear of the latest trends or work with bad vendors.

Week #14 – Half-Way Point! – Build your portfolio with the end in mind and with a holistic approach

Week #15 Syndications + Apartments Part 1 – Understand why most sophisticated investors scale up to larger investments

Week #16 Syndications + Apartments Part 2 – Find out how you can get access to deals once only accessible to the wealthy within the country club

Week #17 Investor Mindset – Once you get started you realize that the possibilities are endless (I know it sounds cheesy but some people sign the front of the checks and some people sign the back)

Week #18 Productivity – Following up mindset the limiting factor might be the fact that you suck at getting things done. Here are some of the best tips to increasing your output and having more time to do what you want to do.

Week #19 Taxes – You will learn what you will need to know to prevent legal churn from a lawyer who does not know what they are doing

Week #20 HELOCS/Refinancing – A great way to find lazy money to put to cashflowing rental real estate

Week #21 1031 Exchanges – Don’t be fooled but this talked about tax strategy. It is often not what cutting edge investors use.

Week #22 QRPs – Got funds locked up in retirement funds? Lets free that lazy equity!

Week #23 Life Insurance Banking – Its called life insurance but its use by the wealthy to bank from yourself and avoid taxes.

Week #24 Other Financial Hacks – Other secrets I pick up by hanging out with wealthy people

Week #25 Covering your assets – You will learn some ways to build legal protections around your financial empire

Week #26 Conclusion – Pulling together the basic and advanced topics for you

This is the stuff you don’t hear talked about from co-workers!

Most so-called financial planners don’t even have a clue – although they are probably a nice guy.

These are the secrets of the uber-wealthy and specific mentorship groups that I have spent over $40,000 to learn over the past few years.

119 – Dissecting my Recent Insurance Claims with Ed Babtkis

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________Here are the Show Notes________

Revisit Episode 38 for insurance fundamentals.

Two recent claims broke the straw on the camel’s back for single-family homes.

Water claims has a lot of denials and payments.

If homes built in 1920-1960 and pipes haven’t been touched, chances are pipes are leaking.

Leaking –> cracked pipe –> pipes burst.

If property vacant, pipe leaking, and in cold weather environment, house needs to be “winterized.”

Establish pre-existing condition by taking before and after photos – especially if pipes in good condition when you purchase.

Defining cause of damage always murky.

Recoverable Depreciation = amount of money you get as long as you do the work.

Tenant in Episode 80 went AWOL and trifecta of theft, vandalism and maliciousness mischief.

After before and after pictures, frame claim with timeline of problems – ensures claim happened during policy period.

Ed runs Ross Diversified and insures nationally, such as investment properties, NPN, foreclosures, fix-and-flips, and more.

Best way to contact Ross Diversified: 1-800-210-7677 and/or Bruce Young at byoung@ross2.com.

 

Podcast #115 – Flipping to passive rentals with Mark Ferguson

YouTube Link

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________Here are the Show Notes________

Aside from blog, owns 15 rental properties in Northern Colorado generating $7K/mo passive income.

Harder to cash flow around Denver. Looking out-of-state.

Since Sept 2015, has not purchased new SFH. Focusing on commercial, flipping, which was best use of time.

Always demand for low-end flips (less risk v. high-end).

Write own goals, don’t rely on other people, and think differently to develop himself.

Don’t C.E.F. – especially if you’re not a contractor.

Some opportunities in purchasing primary residential properties, but not going to stay there forever.

If you want to be creator and sell houses full-time, get a real estate license. If part-time, not really recommeneded unless you own a couple properties already and can expend time.

Goals for more passive income ($100k/mo) and freedom = happy.

Change your mindset and try. Otherwise, you’re stuck where you are (ex: frugal). What’s your motivation and dreams?

Let people drink their haterade.

Tough to let go, but happier to save time by hiring out on blog, website, e-mail, property management, etc.

Not a tech-savvy guy, but build blog and all that SEO!

Wished more good people to hire directly instead of 3rd parties.

Don’t force yourself to buy something – especially in a sellers market.

Are you taking action that’s getting closer to your goals or treading water? Take time for yourself.

Always lot of stuff to do, but don’t stress about it. A couple mistakes or not getting things done will not ruin you.

First blog comment was fulfilling. Drives motivation on how to help give back to others.

Check out www.investfourmore.com and podcast. 453 articles and 117 podcasts.

Contact info: Mark@investfourmore.com

 

Podcast #114 – Jennifer Beadles – Turning Active income into passive income in a Primary market

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________Here are the Show Notes________

Income has a cap
Bought first house at 21
Take business profits into buy and hold rentals
Say out of Seattle
Mount Vernon WA
Tell the agent in super simple terms
Comments on meetups
Should i get started now?

QRP – Qualified Retirement Plans & Free Book

If you have a 401K or Roth or IRA you need to start using a QRPs or qualified retirement plan!

If you are running low on cash because you have been picking up deals left or just broke because you have been listening to mainstream dogma and you have money in your retirement plans this is for you!

Damion Lupo was a previous guest on episode #40

Here is the webinar! Enjoy and send me questions to post the answer below.

If you are late to the game of investing in alternative investments like real estate (imagine that) and already have a large 401K over $100,000 then you should convert it to a Solo401K or Solo401k Roth version. At that point you can slowly take money out to minimize your taxes (not go into the highest tax bracket) and invest in the meantime as you “leak” the money out of the Governments control.

***Updated 9/2018***

My order of contributing to these (future money) accounts after you take of (today money) regular liquidity. [I suggest per hour Coaching]:

1st QRP – contribute at least until the match.. 100% return

2nd IRA – Flexibility to self-direct

3rd SERP – liability of the employer.. pays out when you leave or after retirement age or a designated age in the future

There are a couple caveats to point out:

  1. When you have money in these accounts it sounds good that you are not taxed on gains but you are restricted from getting a Fannie Mae loan. Using the QRP loans get you the second tier financing options, for example, a Roth IRA can buy real estate on leverage, however, will need a non-recourse loan which is often a fraction high-interest rate and lower LTV. No Bueno!
  2. QRPs like your 401Ks or IRA accounts is pretty much locked up until you are “old”. There are some provisions to get the money out when you are 45 years old but you need to eat today. So I recommend a holistic strategy of blending your investment funding from both QRPs and you regular liquidity. We can likely discuss this in a quick 1-hour coaching call.

Info on using retirement funds for syndication deals:

Question: I am considering investing in a 506c investment on a multifamily property. They are raising a 1 million from investors, then getting a loan and making improvements to the property and repositioning it over 5-7 years. I wanted to use my funds from my SEP IRA which is currently in a qualified intermediary trust. What is the UBIT tax? Will I be subject to that on this deal? Also, should I set up an LLC that then loans the money to their LLC? How can I structure this for tax and liability benefits?

Answer [Note: From CPA and not this is NOT legal or professional advice]: When you invest in a business (syndicate = business) with your IRA, the IRA will be subject to UBIT (unrelated business income tax) and UDFI (unrelated debt-financed income).

For our purposes, UDFI is produced when an IRA uses debt to purchase real estate. Essentially, the portion of the property’s income considered UDFI is based on the percentage of rental income derived from debt.

For example, Property A is purchased for $100,000. You put down 25% of the purchase price as a down payment and finance the remaining 75% with a traditional mortgage from the bank. The property produces $10,000 in net income for the year. $7,500 (75%) of the net income is considered UDFI and is subject to UBIT.

There is a deduction for the first $1,000 of income subject to UBIT. Income subject to UBIT over $1,000 is taxed at trust rates. For 2017, trust tax rates start at 15% and max out at 39.6% after just $12,400 of income subject to UBIT.

UBIT is paid by the IRA account. If for whatever reason UBIT is paid directly by the taxpayer, the amount paid is considered a contribution to the IRA.

Follow up question: Is there any difference in how the UDFI will apply for these:
1) SD IRA
2) SEP-IRA
3) Solo 401K
4) SD IRA (operated as an LLC) so this one is confusing… My LLC owns an LLC (syndication) which owns a property such as 150-unit on 123 main street

Question: I’m trying to decide if one is better than another for tax purposes?

Answer: The solo 401(k) is not subject to UDFI but it subject to UBIT. The IRAs are all subject to UBIT and UDFI. Note that generally the passive income flowing back to you is very low and the, as a result, we don’t see a huge UBIT tax.

Another idea would be to take a debt position (lending) rather than equity. The interest you would receive is free of UBIT and UDFI tax.

(This suggestion of a “debt” position or note investment with the SEP IRA to avoid UBIT and UDFI tax is a creative one… but it’s a very low chance of happening because it’s just too complicated and honestly not worth the effort from the syndicators’ side. It’s a very similar case of to a Tenant-In-Common (TIC) arrangement where an investor has 1031 exchange funds and wants to parlay that money into a syndication. It’s possible but from the syndicator’s perspective a lot of unneeded work when you can just raise the funds the traditional way. Caveat: if you are bringing in a huge amount of money say 50% of the raise then that might tip the scales in your favor)

Ask you can tell this is a really grey area. One CPA mentioned, the answer depends on how you structured the syndication, UBIT may or may not apply for the real estate holding for solo 401k. I would really try to toss the Operation Agreement to your individual CPAs to examine and determine ahead of time as I am not a CPA 😉

Caveat: If you are late to the game and already have a fat 401k then you should convert it to a solo401k. At that point, you should think about putting it into a syndication since you are restricted on how you can leverage it.

So if you are going to have one of these QRP accounts since you have an old 401K or old retirement accounts want to self-direct it in good investments and don’t want to take a huge tax hit right away set up a Solo401k or Checkbook control.

Action Items:

  1. Get a quick pay per hour coaching call to see how this plays into deals coming up in the Hui Deal Pipe Club.
  2. Get set up here or ask me for a warm email intro.
  3. And get the free book on QRPs!

 

Here are the podcast notes:

To get to know Damion more go to SimplePassiveCashflow.com/damion

I have been having a lot of calls with listeners having exhausted their liquidity and have money in their 401K or IRA’s still in Wall Street Investments.

One of those ways to get the money out is via a QRP or Solo401K.

Today’s guest Damion Lupo with discussing – SimplePassiveCashflow.com/qrp to get a free copy of his book

I cashed out my 401k because I figured I was going to pay the taxes anyway and my tax load would be a lot higher in the future and I wanted access to my money before retirement age.

Visit CrowdfundAloha.com – a website dedicated to helping hard-working middle-class people build real estate portfolios.

$26 trillion in retirement plans. You have all sorts of money that can be tapped into, but fear holds you back.

As an investor, Damion has purchased 150 houses in 7 states ($20 million portfolios).

2008: went from $20 million to -$5 million. Had to start all over.

Beyond money, find out your why. Read Simon Sinek “Find Your Why.”

Mission Statement: Free 1 million people from financial bondage.

I.R.S takes 70% of the average person’s money.

The QRP (Qualified Retirement Plan): “The Ferrari of 401(k)’s.”

You probably haven’t heard of QRP as Wall Street tends to control your stuff.

QRP allows you invest in many real estate options (syndications, lands, rentals, apartments, commercial, international deals, HML, etc.).

Total control, fixed fees, endless choices, and FAST with QRP v. Self-Directed IRA. 10X contributions and control with no custodian.

SDIRA will lose 1/3 of profit as UDFI triggered. QRP – Roth has no UDFI – keep 100% profit.

Can keep 401(k) at W-2 and sign up for QRP. Max contribution would be $55,000 in combined plans – $28,000 in the QRP.

QRP can hold other non-real estate investments, such as gold, silver, Cryptocurrency, etc.

Build-in credit line in a QRP. Up to $50K in cash.

Investors, self-employed, and family members are all qualified.

Properties you have or use right now cannot be placed moved in a QRP.

To fund, can rollover any IRA, 401(k), +TSP, 403b, 457.

66% people are worried about not having enough money for retirement.

Free copy of QRP book at www.simplepassivecashflow.com/QRP

SPC110 – My Story – Evictions, Flip Project, Market Updates

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________Here are the Show Notes________

Dealing with an eviction:

“Hi Lane! I delivered an evection notice to tenants yesterday and had the opportunity to speak with husband at the door. He stated that he and his wife had both started new jobs and would be able to make one full payment in a week (this was the story for seemingly a month or two) and would be able to make a partial payment in 10 days. Before we proceeded forward with an agreement, wanted to see if that works for you. They are currently $3,000 behind before for a total of two months.  

Here is what I did…

I okayed the concession to give more time. I requested some sort of proof of new job status (a hire letter or email). I am more than willing to work with people… These have been long tenants of almost a couple years and B+ /A- home that rents for $1500 a month.

Caveat… I am really near to selling these properties this year and don’t really want to rock the boat in terms of enforcing long-term behavior.

Revamping my turnkey rental content – simplepassivecashflow.com/turnkey

I have currently sold 2 of 10 SFH rentals (P&L offer)

One of them Columbia is had $27K to get back online. Going to pay 37K to sell retail.

Another property Riverwood just went vacant. Going to pay 20-30K to sell retail too.

  • Talked with my team – PM, Contractor, couple other hui members
  • Is it a good area to go retail
  • Will I recoup capital overlay based on comps

Soon I will unrolling my private lending platform. CrowdfundAloha.com! So if you are looking for a 1st lien property with my partners let me know. We are talking about even providing turnkey services.

This is not really a money making things cause the margins are just really tough these days.

After over 1000 strategy calls with investors and coaching clients over the past couple years here is what I tell W2 employees… For those who are able to save more than $30k a year or have substantial liquidity (over 200k), being a landlord and especially flipping is a lot of work. If you like it cool/good for you… but just remember why we got into this… To be free from a JOB. A lot of us (80%) who stumble upon simplepassivecashflow.com and start drinking Kool-Aide will be financially free in 4-7 years pending taking action. So I always urge people to start with the end in mind and take a more passive approach.

Do the math here… you with 300 dollars per property (2 months of work to buy a turnkey rental) you are going to need 20-40 of these to replace your income. I have 10 of these and have systems in place but have 1-2 evictions a year and 3-4 big things that happen. Image if I had 30, just 3 x those numbers.

Directly investing in a turnkey rental or small MFH is a good way to start to learn and build up the war chest to go into my scaleable investments such as private placement syndications. Whatever you do, try to be as close to the investment as possible. This is the fundamental problem I have with Wall Street who takes too much fees off the hard-working efforts of the middle class.

Looking at some deals. So folks in the Hui Deal Pipeline Club (who have reached out to me and built a relationship) will see those really soon. 😛 I hope I have enough liquidity… I might need to borrow some money 😛

Single Family Homes becoming a legitimate asset class – Spring 2018 Conference

The lending requirements and new loan products is slowly changing. I know a lot of you have heard that Short Term Rentals (Air Bnb) income is starting to become part of the loan calculations.

Something I’m following is lending on large portfolios of single-family homes. Some of the highlights:

1) up to 10-year term with 1.25 DSCR

2) portfolios minimum size of 50 properties

3) assumable

Pilot program details download here – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aTIbru2HEPbw_KLHTvU5-Iyk0aoQB8Gx

Look even a SFH conference – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1cI15DnBUn8LRA54NTCh667exeR3OtlIu

Other Fannie Changes – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WumUWsduuLnHqDi6IJXNipX7IsT9AUFa

AirBnb lending requirements loosening

I read this following article that described rent concession in a few major cities that I like as apartment markets.

http://www.nreionline.com/multifamily/more-apartment-landlords-offer-free-rent-lure-tenants

Here is another article citing industrial as the sector to be in:

http://www.nreionline.com/industrial-cre-market-study/exclusive-research-clear-sailing-industrial-sector-through-2018

My takeaway is that this is important to monitor especially if you are developing because this is a leading indicator of softness in the market. It might be economic reasons or just because a bunch of new build inventory is coming online in that area. Either way…

Robert Kiyosaki has a saying, “there are three sides to a coin”.

People argue that its a good time to buy or bad time to buy. For example “mfh” is overheated or commercial is getting killed by Amazon and e-commerce. I think these are mental justifications by tire kickers not to do anything.

Sophisticated investors live on the edge of the “coin”. They buy deals out our reach of amateurs due to the lack for network/knowledge. These opportunities are undervalued, with undermarket rents, with value-add opportunity.

They are patient and don’t stray from standards that make them get crushed in a market correction. (Cashflow from other investments make this possible) They invest following the macro and micro trends and don’t gamble on gimmicks such as guessing where Amazon’s next HQ is going or where the hurricanes just crushed a market.

The trouble is as an outsider is figuring out which of these deals transcends the two side of coin and is on the edge. And starting out its going to be slim pickings due to lack of network but you have to push through this rough part.

I am from the camp that you need to become an expert or get beyond the surface level investor stuff in some freebie pdf guide or video. Or just find the right people to work with. To many people get shinny object syndrome and float from sector to sector, from a money-making activity to another, read book after book and never get anywhere. You see these people at a lot of networking events. There is a lot of movement but no tangible results. This is where coaching comes in but for some people not able to get over having another person call them out on their BS you need to get laser focused and take massive action or quit fooling yourself.

I’ll be at the notebuyerbootcamp on the panel for syndication in Chicago next week. Notebuyerbootcamp.com

Turnkey Rental Wisdom (2012-2018)

Dear prospective turnkey investor,

The following is my constantly updated guide to turnkey. (Updated 4-2018) Email me for any additions or feedback. In the spirit of the Hui Deal Pipeline Club where we crowdsource due diligence together!

I don’t flip or wholesale or do any of that. I have a w-2 job and not looking for another job or chore. I am all about leveraging my money and more importantly, time. For people like you and me who live in places (Seattle, West Coast, Hawaii, East Coast, to name a few) where the Rent to Value ratio is 0.5% or less we have no other option. It drives me crazy when the Real Investor Peanut Gallery (internet forums know for big pockets small wallet) say we are overpaying… well if I didn’t have a life and I had the time to lick stamps and swindle distressed buyers I could buy a distressed property at discount too and probably do it better 😉

I don’t know about you, but I have full time professional job that earns more per hour than most folks even in real estate and more than these Turn Key providers do. So I’m like sure… I’ll pay retail and rely on their volume and expertise. But you have to find the right ones. Investing for cashflow is not a get rich quick schedule but a prudent way to build lasting wealth a few hundred dollars at a time.

Update – 8-2018 – Almost done selling the rentals on Roofstock!

Today I buy apartment buildings like this 193 unit in San Antonio where I work with deal finding specialist on my team but it took me almost ten years to get there.

 

When I started this blog/podcasts I was totally into these Turnkey Rentals. I even started to blog on a couple of them in detail:

Rental #4 – Birmingham

Rental #5 – Birmingham

I moved onto bigger more scaleable assets mostly because of stuff like this happening every few months:

“I do have some unfortunate news.  My crew showed up this morning and there was an empty police car in the driveway along with a note from the officer.  Overnight, the outdoor section of the AC unit was cut and stolen (no sign of breaking in).  My crew said he spoke with the neighbors (to the right of the home) and at about 1-2 in the morning a black truck was going around the neighborhood cutting AC units and taking them.  The neighbors called the police and they came out to do their work.  I called the Dekalb County Police and asked them what I would need to do and what the next steps are.  They said, if we want a copy of the police report to come down to the office and present them the case number and if there is any news they would let us know.  I have attached photos of the card the police officer left along with photos of the damage.  It is very unfortunate and I do apologize this happening.  The AC just got inspected and serviced yesterday and everything else is running smooth.  I am waiting to hear back from the HVAC tech about what it is going to replace the missing unit and repairs to the lines, once I receive the service report.  I will be sure to keep you up to date with any news or information.  Please let me know if you have any questions.  Once again, thank you for your time and I do hate that this has happened.”

As much as I poke fun at the asset class and jokingly call it “turkey” instead of turnkey rentals it all started here and is the foundation of my investing portfolio.

 

When I first started buying the rehabs done by the turnkey guys in the blue collar areas, if you posted “hey I’m looking for turnkey” in the forums you get the usual suspects soliciting you for marked up properties. It’s off market because they rehab it for the investor with more durable and less visually appealing materials than your normal retail product. I’m all for the wholesaler to make money because they do spend a lot of time and money on mailers and advertising but the layers of middlemen who add no value is excessive and is almost as bad as Wall Street.

I bought my first couple rentals back in 2009-2012 in Seattle (Primary market/no cashflow). As the prices started going up I was forced to go out of my comfort zone and purchase out of state rents because I needed cashflow in order to achieve my goal of replacing my W2 income as an engineer. I bought one I Birmingham, without seeing it and set up a professional property management company to manage the day to day. That was proof of concept for me to sell my two Seattle rentals and buy 9 Properties in 5 Months via 1031 Exchange.

I work with a lot of engineers and a lot of them say they get analysis paralysis because they like data. I call them out of it and tell them they are just scared and losing $500 of opportunity costs and time per month! A real engineer would look at the numbers. IF rent minus expenses (with contingency) minus mortgage is greater than THEN fricken do it!

Example of capital expenses that need to account for in your expenses and contingency.

Let me be clear, I don’t flip or wholesale or do any of that. I have a W2 job and not looking for another job or chore. I am all about leveraging my money and more importantly, time. For people like you and me who live in places (Seattle, West Coast, Hawaii, East Coast, to name a few) where the Rent to Value ratio is 0.5% or less we have no other option.

It drives me crazy when the Real Investor Peanut Gallery (internet forums) say we are overpaying… Our time is better spent at our high paid professions that we busted out buts going through a couple decades of schooling for.

My full-time professional job that earns more per hour than most folks even in real estate and more than these Turn Key providers do. So I’m like “Sure… I’ll pay retail and rely on their volume and expertise.” Its all about leveraging your highest and best use, which maybe your day job.  Sorry.

The problem is that you have to find the right property and people to work with. And have a mentor so you are not getting screwed. Investing for cashflow is not a get rich quick schedule but a prudent way to build lasting wealth a few hundred dollars at a time.

When I first started buying the rehabs done by the turnkey guys in the blue collar areas, if you posted “hey I’m looking for turnkey” in the forums you get the usual suspects soliciting you for marked up properties. It’s off market because they rehab it for the investor with more durable and less visually appealing materials than your normal retail product. I’m all for the wholesaler to make money because they do spend a lot of time and money on mailers and advertising but the layers of middlemen who add no value is excessive and is almost as bad as Wall Street.

“I don’t work with top tier turnkey providers…. For the same reason I don’t buy a Dyson Vacuum.. I’m cheap and buy value and buy the sub-100 dollar Shark brand from costco with the excellent return policy.”

These days’ people in the Hui Private group are not on internet forums. They say its 95% of active people who are not high paid professionals and marketers. Here is some of the chatter:

 

The most important thing to do is to grow your network.

So you can bounce ideas off other investors and not a salesperson. I still do free calls but please review the free content I have put on this website first. No, I do not just give recommendations to good people to buy from because things change and I am not going to throw my brand around like that. And by the way that’s an “ask-hole.” I know your character and the trajectory of your success but how you add value to others first instead of taking first. Some people are unaware of this which is why I’m saying something so I aplogize. This could be the reason why people are not helping you out and you feel like a lone wolf.

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I don’t really see much difference in the secondary markets with robust economies (Memphis, Kansas City, Birmingham, Atlanta, to name a few). I have tried to set things up so my different markets complement each other. For the most part I buy in the 1.1-1.3% RV range. I take home 70% in 2015 but now in 2017, I buy in the 0.9-1.1% RV range and take home 60% of the rents after all expenses (vacancy and Cap ex).

I made this diagram in 2016 and it illustrates some of the popular “secondary markets with robust economies” that a lot of out of state turnkey buyers like to invest in. Things have changed a little but as you can see you can either have appreciation or cashflow. It’s tough to get the best of both worlds.

I stress NOT to spend too much picking a market. If you sign up for the newsletter as a Hui member you will get more than enough data to create analysis paralysis. The biggest thing you can do is vet the people. As you can see the same principle is what I use in my syndication due diligence: 50% people & 50% the numbers of the deal.

There are three ways to purchase a turnkey rental:

  • Marketer – I would not recommend going through a marketer, they don’t even invest themselves and they did not add any value. The only one I can recommend is Marco but that is because I know like and trust the guy. By the time I bought my 3rd rental I knew way more than those folks did. Unfortunately, I probably overpaid by a few grand on each of those first few properties not knowing what I don’t know, Work with me only if you want to compress time and want me to look over your shoulder to get my unbiased opinions and guidance. Plus you will be setup with a plan and not shoot yourself in the foot like I did by buying a dozen non-scalable investments.
  • Direct from Turnkey Provider – You cut out the middleman and go direct to the source, theoretically getting the best price. Just know that you are not represented by a broker who supposedly has a fiduciary responsibility to you. (BTW never trust a broker) The transactions are done with their paperwork and their rules. They are the pros and it’s dangerous for a newbie to go down this route. There are household Turnkey Providers (TKPs) out there but I call them the “Prada of Providers”. You pay for what you get and often times more than what it’s worth – I’ll just say you are paying over 105% of retail.
  • Hybrid method – When I was going through my buying spree in 2015-2016, I was going (off market) via an agent that had a fiduciary responsibility to me to check all the BS that the providers give you – this is what I recommend only after going through the process a few times. Usually, the agent helping you is not an investor and does not really know what type of amenities/floor plans and locations are best for rentals. You will need to drive the ship. Note: I see brokers all the time trying to sell junk to new investors.
  • Another cool site out there is Roofstock which is where I sold my turnkey rentals to step up to syndications. Use the link get a $500 credit when you register… They give me $50 credit but I don’t think I will buy another turnkey rental again ;P

You seemed bored reading… There is no such thing as turnkey. Check out these disaster photos from an eviction that ended up being a $37K repair bill… https://photos.app.goo.gl/R4PZLuOLGHONO5Rl2

As I was in the middle of my 1031 buying spree (#6 of 11), a lot of TKPs started to come out of the woodwork and offered their properties to me and gave me the royal treatment (discounted prices from what they normally offer). I got to meet a lot of them via meetups and national conferences because I had this podcast and they were interested in getting at the Hui Deal Pipeline Club ecosystem. Since I was pretty experienced and they liked working with me they offered me referral fees to simply send guys like you over to them with a simple “CC’ed” email. Sort of like a referral source where they would give me $1000 per home sold. I thought it made sense for them because it was a lot cheaper than paying $6000+ to a Marketer (#1 above), but as you know when you go with a marketer or this sort of referral program the buyer (you) don’t really get any value add. That said if you want $500 credit at Roofstock use this link.

Personally, I’m not really into picking up $1000 referral checks and passing you off to the TKP (never to hear from you again) since I’m more looking to give back to other investors and build my network for my larger syndication deals in the Hui Deal Pipeline Club. I think turnkey rentals are ok for people starting.

After over 1000 strategy calls with investors and coaching clients over the past couple years here is what I tell W2 employees… For those who are able to save more than $30k a year or have substantial liquidity (over 200k), being a landlord and especially flipping is a lot of work. If you like it cool/good for you… but just remember why we got into this… To be free from a JOB. A lot of us (80%) who stumble upon simplepassivecashflow.com and start drinking Kool-Aide will be financially free in 4-7 years pending taking action. So I always urge people to start with the end in mind and take a more passive approach.

“I have B- class rentals and high that rent for at least $900 a month and I am still having a hard time selling dang properties to other cheapo investors”

 

Do the math here… you with 300 dollars per property (2 months of work to buy a turnkey rental) you are going to need 20-40 of these to replace your income. I have 10 of these and have systems in place but have 1-2 evictions a year and 3-4 big things that happen. Image if I had 30, just 3 x those numbers.

Directly investing in a turnkey rental or small MFH is a good way to start to learn and build up the war chest to go into my scaleable investments such as private placement syndications. Whatever you do, try to be as close to the investment as possible. This is the fundamental problem I have with Wall Street who takes too much fees off the hard-working efforts of the middle class.

I currently work with one business who I can align with because they offer sort of a hybrid between the marketers (I know you know the reasons why to stay away from them) and going straight to the TKPs since you lose a lot of the protections when you do that and it’s sort like signing agreements in the “wild wild west”. The reason I do it this way is that I get a licensed agent that has a fiduciary responsibility to your best interests and guides you through the transaction as you buy through the TKP. Basically, it’s like having MLS agent to cover you for the off market deals. All the properties are aggregated from only the good TKPs and the same price that you will find on the weekly digest that is sent out by the local TKP. This is the way I buy my properties and if nothing else it’s good for browsing what’s out there.

Can you please recommend a good turnkey provider? You said you would help…

The short answer is not really. A provider will try to size you up and try to pull a fast one on you when they get the chance. I will not endorse anyone! The only way to protect yourself is to network with other investors by providing value first – if you are a cheapo. If your net worth is over $300K, have at least $50k liquid, and have a time crunch (kids) I think it’s a no brainer get me on your team and stop screwing around.

There is really no reason why you cannot put in an offer on a property and start collecting $300 a month with a $25K down payment in under 90 days. Someone who is still “reading”, “contacting investors”, or “picking a market” frankly lacks focus (finish one course until success) or scared of making a move. Every day you don’t do anything is $500 a month of opportunity costs!

My rentals in Seattle were cash flowing each with $600-800 a month but it was because I bought at the right time and I did not look at the numbers like a sophisticated investor does. Although my cashflow was good (bad in terms of percentages) I realized that my return on deployable equity was very low, in fact it was under 5%. Now each rental I get typical cash flows by $350 but I think of it like $250 to be conservative and more importantly, my money is not being lazy. I think if you’re making less than 8 percent you’re better off in the stock market despite my aversion toward stocks or mutual funds. A sophisticated investor does not say “well… at least I’m able to cover my mortgage”. They are constantly monitoring their return on equity.

I wasted a lot of time in 2012-2013 looking for rentals in King, Snohomish, and Pierce County (Washington state) and nothing cash flowed. I still have the spreadsheets where I underwrote how crappy the Cashflow was. Now prices are even worse.

I helped dozens of people with this out of state investing game and have pretty much figured it out after making a bunch of mistakes that I didn’t realize till later – this is why it makes me laugh with the “do it yourselfers”.

One mistake I see people making is going after these sucker properties that only can be sold to “Californians,” “Hawaiians,” or any rich person not from the area perceived to have trees that money grows on, from a trust fund, and drink seven Mai Tais on the beach everyday. (Personal Note – I have lived in Hawaii for about six months now and I have only been the beach twice).

These types of people (not follows of SimplePassiveCashflow.com) like to pay a plumber for ten hours to fix a small toilet leak.

Sucker properties are in the wrong area that none of the locals would touch with a ten-foot pole. They are C or D class properties that the Broker calls “B-Class or good area” and usually cost sub $60K for $750 rents a month.

“It may look good on paper but stick to rents that are higher than $900 a month”

The second thing I see newbies doing is buying 2-8 unit properties after hearing all the good things about multi-family and scaling. I think most highly paid professionals will graduate to syndications (which is why I structure business and own investing around them) and therefore will need to sell these SFHs to move up. The exit strategy on selling 2-8+ just is not there. They look good on paper but the exit strategy kills you. If you are thinking you are going to hold on to these properties for cashflow for 7+years think again because that is not what sophisticated investors do because they monitor their ROE and they know the cap-ex tidal wave will hit them in year 5-12 taking back all those profits from the earlier years.

How many turnkey homes are people buying. Here is one data set I found from one popular turnkey provider. Takeaway – most (82%) get a few properties and the rest don’t get it or are too lazy.

The main thing is building the relationships and knowing who has the integrity out there. More importantly, you have to buy a few and go through the process of buying/selling and operating a while to learn how this mouse trap works. Tactically, it’s no different than what I have learned in corporate America (although I’m trying to leave the rat race) by setting expectations and keeping people accountable via email remotely. Trust but verify and financial freedom will be yours.

 

Frequently asked questions:

FAQ from past coaching clients and questions you ask:

Where is your spreadsheet with turnkey providers because I am lazy and want to just copy what someone else does?

That might have been smart a few years ago but things have changes and good providers have gone out of business or more expensive. You don’t need to be a super active investor but by not putting a minimal amount of effort you are shortchanging yourself the necessary lessons that will minimize a big mistake down the road. If you need the provider list sign up for the Hui Deal Pipeline club and it is in that share drive.

What’s the deal with REI Trader and the partnership with Simple Passive Cashflow?

I would do your own due-diligence and learn about rentals by talking to as many people as you can.

I know eventually you will find that working with my team is the going to be the optimal path forward as I am committed to mentoring you as an investor so you will continue on this investor journey to bigger and better deals.

I stand behind REI Trader and support you through the entire buying process – I don’t just pass you off to the Turn Key provider and say peace out…

The properties have good value for the purpose of rental real estate. The due-diligence that we do after the purchase contract is signed is the secret sauce and the unfair advantage over other turnkey options. Yes, there are a few perennial Turn Key companies however you will pay over market rates (110% retail).

The broker that helps you with boots on the ground with REI Trader is property agnostic. In fact, they don’t care if you buy that property or not.  We know you will buy the right one eventually.  We want to build a relationship with you the investor. Most clients buy one property, come back for more, and tell their friends.

Where do I find tax information in Birmingham?

http://eringcapture.jccal.org/caportal/CAPortal_MainPage.aspx?IsHTTPS=0&IFrameURL=CA_PropertyTaxSearch.aspx

Should I be concerned about a septic system?

Do you know if it was inspected after you purchased? What future maintenance should I expect? Will the property management company know when it needs regular maintenance?            A lot of properties have septic in Center Point and most PMs have this down to a system. We went through this including myself as before.

On another property the investor hired his own septic tank inspection. They checked in and said it was not working but when we sent our own service out to reconfirm, it was working as required. Often some of these third-party services are not as honest as they should be with out of state buyers. Regardless, the home warranty you receive covers septic service. This is just an FYI for future purchases where a septic tank is involved. This property is on city sewer so we don’t have these issues.

How much and what comprises the attorney’s fees that will be split 50/50?       

Typically, on financed transactions it’s about $650 split 50/50.

What if there are issues getting an inspection(s) completed with tenant in place?           

This is an issue with the seller not being easy to work with and could be grounds for you to back out.

If there are delays, we then have both parties agree to an extension of the inspection period with an addendum. Only time this happens is if your inspector can’t inspect and provide report back within the 14-day period.

How do I decide on an offer price?

Property in good condition and in a good area that meets the preliminary numbers go fast. Dude, it’s a sellers’ market and anyone can swoop in and grab it. I have seen the amount of turnkey buyers go up exponentially in the past few years as everyone is jumping on the band wagon. News flash incase you missed it… Real estate has been good for the past decade.

From the rehabber/flippers prospective to complete project geared more toward the retail buyer to take part of the emotional buyer market. Selling to cheapskate and annoying investors like us just does not make sense on many fronts. So don’t we a whinny investor and don’t try to make like you have leverage.

Properties that have a tenant in them are often owned by investors and non-owner occupied owners. The good thing is that it’s a numbers game and they have a profit that they are looking to get. The bad news is that the property performs as an income producing asset (that’s why you are buying it) and the sell is content holding on to it indefinitely – after all it cashflows.

Turnkey sellers will allow minimum flexibility on their pricing. Remember, they don’t have to sell and sometimes it does not make sense so move on if that’s the case. That being said, the average discounts I have seen is about $1500 off asking price. Seller is asking $69,900 and I would suggest initial offer of $67,000 and see how he responds. Point is know what is a deal and know the price.

How to handle property inspection report          

You really need a mentor or have someone look over your shoulder who has done this before and knows what is fair. Here is my advice:

Have a 5-10 minute call with the inspector. Tell him “look I know we aren’t going to get much more than 2-4K of repairs” so…

#1 would you buy this?

#2 what repairs will bite me in the next couple years?

#3 what is the best use of 2-4 of work?

#4 do you have any contractor contracts I can have?

Take this to the seller and negotiate but just know they have a line around the block waiting to buy their property sight unseen. Even without appraisal and all cash.

I want to make my own turnkey company? I know a rehabber?

Here is a spreadsheet with the math behind making your own turnkey company.

I think multi-family properties are my future 1-2 years from now.  Would you start 4-8 units or get a partner and go bigger?  

This depends on your trajectory (how much money you have and earning ability). High paid professionals I work with are going to go into bigger deals I would recommend going with SFH because you will likely sell in a few years and vault into bigger stuff. 2-8 units have a horrible exit strategy as only people who want them are cheap investors. “looking for a deal man!”
My buddy FI Fighter also calls these Turkey rentals too but I disagree with his sentiment about going for the “best assets.” I believe you can invest in undervalued value add Class C and B assets as long as you have a capped time horizon. This is why I like to look for 1975-1990 properties because our business plan is the squeeze out the last of the value of these properties with still having high single digits of cashflow as the hedge to a downward turn in the economy. You can’t really do much with a 1960’s property. You really have to go through 500-1000 deals to find one of these and you are not going to find these being in the game with only 6 months of experience and no track record. This model is not infinitely scalable (and too small for the institutions to bother with) but what small sophisticated investors are quietly doing in the 2-8 million dollar asset range.
Setup a short coaching call because it will be worth it. Don’t be like me and buy 10 of these sfhs because it will be a pain to sell them later to go into more scaleable syndications.

 

Here are more resources:

  1. *The Analyzer Video Walk Through- https://youtu.be/qr8M6NMBhRw
  2. *Download 2018 Buy & Hold Analyzer Spreadsheet – https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kMAn962d52UN-ObKNWmjT11z6gqATR1I
  3. *SPC005 – So you want to buy a Turnkey Rental – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-5-so-you…a-turnkey-rental/
  4. SPC014 – 22 questions to ask a turnkey provider – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-14-22-qu…turnkey-provider/
  5. SPC015 – 9 Turnkey listener questions Part 1 – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/podcast-15-9-turnkey-listener-questions-part-1/
  6. All the SFH related material – http://simplepassivecashflow.com/tag/sfh/

Refer me to a friend via email and I will personally send you both my spreadsheets of usual suspects of turnkey providers plus the questions I used to ask them for due diligence. And let me know if you would like a referral to my exclusive partners.

Here are the books I think you should read before moving forward.

***Put a red circle on your calendar 60 days from now and see where you get… and how much of your family’s time you waste as you consume websites, books, and podcasts.

You know what I mean ‘Jelly Bean’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOksW_NabEk

“I started the Hui Deal Pipeline Club because I want to see each of you get to your goals financially so you can focus on what is really important to you. There are other fundraisers out there that will train their investors down to 10-15% IRRs on crappy deals and do “deals to do deals” or to pick up acquisition fees. Between investing alongside you folks and wanted to grow my track record the right way with the best product I know you guys will keep coming back and bring your friends.”